Institutional Church Myths 4 – Did Christ Drink Alcoholic Wine?

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I promise that this post is not going to take long. The institutional church beast infrastructure taught me back in the day that the wine Christ drunk was non alcoholic, in fact many since then have even gone so far as to teach that Christ drunk grape juice. Yet again Verbs is stepping up to the plate and deconstructing yet another institutional church myth. YES CHRIST DID DRINK ALCOHOLIC WINE, no it was not “non” alcoholic and no he did not drink grape juice. Allow me to show you that yet again certain issues can be clarified very quickly when you learn to think and reason for yourself allowing the Spirit to guide you instead of allowing the monument of failure branch managers/local CEOs commonly known as pastors to do your thinking and reasoning for you.

One of the first prophecies concerning the coming of the Messiah is in Genesis 49:12, however we will begin from verse 10 for clarification. Genesis 49:10-12 reads:

49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

49:12 HIS EYES SHALL BE RED WITH WINE, and his teeth white with milk.

Once you allow yourself to be moved via the Spirit, this all becomes too easy. Note in verse 12 where it states that his eyes shall be RED WITH WINE. Since when do your eyes become red drinking non alcoholic beverages including grape juice????? Answers on a postcard please. This is the first blatant indication that Christ would be involved with alcoholic wine.

Again, I open the question up especially to institutional church beast infrastructure members, how is it possible to have red eyes from consuming non alcoholic wine and grape juice??? I am anxiously awaiting a response. Perhaps you can induct a supervisor from one of your many dens of iniquity to answer the question or even an assistant from one of your many contaminated financial constructions of mockery and disrepute that you still have the audacity to call “churches”, perhaps he/she/them can step up to the challenge and answer the question.

Not enough evidence for you, let us now turn to Matthew 11:19 and hear how the disbelievers branded Christ coming from his own mouth, however we will start from verse 18 and draw the comparisons between how John was described within his lifestyle to how Christ was described within his. Matthew 11:18-19 reads:

11:18 For John came NEITHER EATING NOR DRINKING, and they say, He hath a devil.

11:19 THE SON OF MAN CAME EATING AND DRINKING, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a WINEBIBBER, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

So to summarise, we all know that the scriptures state that John lived on eating locusts and wild honey. It is clear from this alone that John drunk no wine and living on locusts can hardly be considered as a hearty meal, so they instead slung the accusation of being possessed with a devil at him. However, when it comes down to Christ, he was a man who loved his chow and his drink and as a result he was called greedy and a WINEBIBBER. Another word for winebibber which is commonly used especially in the US is WINO(I believe that this is the correct spelling, please correct me if I have spelled the word incorrectly).

I need not say anything more, yet more nonsense from the institutional church beast infrastructure deconstructed. Although I believe that Christ was never drunk, he still loved his wine and consumed it to such an extent as to make his eyes go red. Again, the question is opened up to those who still do not believe that the Messiah consumed alcohol, at what point would you obtain red eyes from consuming non alcoholic beverages???

Now, I am going to continue deconstructing the foundation of the institutional church beast infrastructure piece by piece and when I am finished with it, there shall not be one stone left upon another that shall not be thrown down(Matthew 24). There is nothing special about me, all I have done is opened myself up to the Spirit in honesty and sincerity aswell as also accepting that this individual walk with the Most High IS NOT ABOUT REMAINING FREE FROM MAKING MISTAKES, that is not going to happen, mistakes will be made whether you like it or not, it is how you move forward and learn from the mistakes you make that will count. As always……………..

The Deprogramming And Decontamination Process Continues

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Most High Bless

16 thoughts on “Institutional Church Myths 4 – Did Christ Drink Alcoholic Wine?

  1. “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of Yahweh shall come” (Luke 22:17,18). MessiYah did not drink of the fruit of the vine Himself, he gave the cup to His disciples to drink. Also, He turned water into wine, but He didn’t drink it (John 2:3-10).

    “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: (His eyes shall be red with wine,) and (his teeth white with milk) (Gen 49:10-12).

    There is unfortunately much confusion about these verses, and others similar to it, as shown below. Many people seem to think that, these scriptures speaks of MessiYah drinking wine, when in fact it has absolutely nothing to do with Him drinking wine. For they are only used metaphorically, and not as an actual literal depiction of MessiYah’s physical condition. So let me explain. As it is written, The Most High’s people shall be gathered unto Him, and shall be binded unto the vine = They shall be one with MessiYah when He returns. He is the vine that is being spoken of, the true vine (John 15:1-5). He is the vine, and we are the foal, or even the branches as we are sometimes referred to in scripture. We shall have been washed and made white in the blood of The Lamb, at His return (Rev 7:14). And He was clothed in a vesture dipped in blood (Rev 19:13). This simply means the purification of those who will be with Him when He returns. The Vine and the Branches shall be one. His eyes being red with wine, is speaking of His fierceness, and His wrath when He returns; not of Him actually drinking wine. For it is written, His eyes were as flames of fire. And lastly, His teeth white with milk, is speaking of His Word. As we may know white represents purity, and milk for the most part is white. Thus His Word is pure and unadulterated, and this is that two edged sword spoken of in (Rev 1:16). However, there will actually be meat instead of milk at that time. As the Apostle Saul told the people that he gave them milk, because they were not able to bear meat at that time (1Cor 3:2). But MessiYah is coming with strong meat. “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of Yahweh; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil” (Heb 5:12-14).

    “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (His eyes were as a flame of fire,) and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And (he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:) and his name is called The Word of Yahweh. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And (out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,) that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty Yahweh. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS” (Rev 19:11-16).

    “And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and (his eyes were as a flame of fire;) And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and (out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword) and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength” (Rev 1:13-16).

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    • Zerlinyah,

      I’m afraid that your position on Christ not drinking wine is incorrect and can quite easily be refuted. You referenced Luke 22:17-18 however Christ stating that he “will not drink” in no wise equates to “did not drink”. Christ was referring to his subsequent actions from that point forward ie from the supper until the kingdom of the Most High comes. You will also notice that he made the same terms and conditions with regards to no longer eating in verse 16.

      There is also another issue with your position, Christ himself stated that he was accused of being a gluttonous and a “winebibber” in Matthew 11:19 which reads:

      11:19 – The Son of man came eating and DRINKING, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a WINEBIBBER, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

      A winebibber is somebody who habitually drinks wine. You cannot accuse somebody of being a “winebibber” if they are not at least drinking wine to begin with. This post is 100% correct, Christ drunk wine, there is no way around this one unless you have an alternative explanation as to what a winebibber is.

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      • Yes, a winebibber is one who drinks habitually. However, I cannot agree that MessiYah was one. For it was the pharisees who were only (accusing) Him, and trying to find fault with in Him as usual. I have to believe that just because these false accusers once again pointed a finger at Him, doesn’t make it true. What I’m getting is that, MessiYah wasn’t drinking “wine” at all. For the scripture doesn’t say that He was. It is saying that, even if He had a cup of water, the Pharisees would accuse Him of drinking wine. They were always looking to discredit Him. Also, just simply because He might have been eating, would they then call Him a Gluttonous man too. This is simply pointing out, that the Pharisees were always looking to discredit Him. Just as they were trying to discredit John The Baptist, by saying he had a devil. (Luke 7:33,34). Thank you for your response.

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      • Zerlinyah,

        Indeed, I agree that Christ didn’t abuse himself with wine however I was showing you that the Scribes and the Pharisees falsely accused him of certain things and extrapolated the accusations based on observing his day to day actions. When they accused Christ of having a devil, the basis of this accusation was his super natural works. When they accused Christ of not keeping the Sabbath, this accusation yet again was based upon him carrying out the works of the Most High on the Sabbath. When they accused him of associating with publicans and sinners, was he not doing these things? In like manner, when they accused him of being a winebibber, the basis of this accusation(even though it was a false one) still has to have been from him drinking wine.

        As I stated before, there is no way around this. Now you obviously hold to the opinion that Christ never drunk wine however your opinion is not reflective of what the scriptures show us. Besides I do not see what the issue with Christ drinking wine is, it is not like the scriptures condemn those who drink wine or call it out as a sin.

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      • I do agree with you on all points, except the fact that He drank wine. I’m not saying that it was wrong for persons to drink wine in moderation. There is scripture to back this up. But I’m just saying that there is no evidence proving that MessiYah ever drank wine. Since Luke 7:33,34 are essentially MessiYah merely giving an explanation and showing the character traits of how far a persons enemies would go to discredit them. He was saying that they would accuse Him of being a drunkard no matter what He had in a cup. All they needed was to see Him with a cup in His hand, and He would have been accused of being a drunk. As He was. No one can prove that He came drinking wine. Because He was simply pointing out the things these folks do in order to accuse Him and others. He was simply speaking to make a point, there was never any actual wine involved.

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      • Zerlinyah,

        You have already been shown the evidence of Christ drinking wine however you have chosen not to accept it because you hold to a different opinion/doctrine. You talked about the Scribes and the Pharisees only needing to see a cup in his hand in order to manufacture false accusations of drunkardness against him, however that is not how it worked at all with anything that they accused him of. They couldn’t throw the same accusation at John because he never drank wine period, so instead they accused him of having a devil because of his secluded and isolated lifestyle.

        They accused Christ of being a drunkard based upon them observing him drink wine, as I said before there is no way around this. Your proposed solo cup analogy is now beginning to derail into illogical territory. The point is that all of the accusations levied against Christ always had a directly related foundation as I explained before. Now you are trying the upmost to hold onto the non wine drinking doctrine however by doing so you are beginning to form an illogical hypothesis.

        To be honest you have already shut yourself down by highlighting Luke 22:17-18 because those scriptures clearly indicate Christ ceasing to drink and eat from THAT POINT. Again, I do not see what the big problem is with Christ drinking wine, I am struggling to see why you have such an issue with the thought of Christ consuming wine.

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      • verbs2003,

        While I do appreciate your responses, I have still not been shown any evidence of MessiYah drinking wine. I will continue to hold my position on this until it can be proven otherwise. Thank you.

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      • Zerlinyah,

        You’ve been shown plenty of evidence, you simply don’t accept it because of a pre conceived doctrine that you hold to. You also have failed to explain what exactly the problem would be with Christ drinking wine in the first place.

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      • verbs2013,

        Like I said, there is no evidence anywhere in scripture proving that He ever drank wine. I will hold to this for eternity unless it can be disproved, and so far that has not, and cannot happen. For His Word will remain the same. “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but His Word shall not pass away” (Matt 24:35). Now hypothetically, if He had consumed wine in moderation, there would be nothing wrong with that. But in all honesty that did not happen, and it has not, and cannot be proven that He did.

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      • Zerlinyah,

        I will simply accept that you wish to hold to a illogical position on this particular issue. Genesis 49:12 is about as blatant as you can get, just because you have decided to roll with an institutional church interpretation of that scripture, this doesn’t mean that my position is incorrect. As I stated before you have already shut yourself down with Luke 22:18 as Christ declaring that he WILL NOT DRINK is clearly indicating a future CHANGE OF BEHAVIOUR which would logically be the opposite of what he was doing up to that point.

        Once again you were clearly shown the scripture where he himself stated that he was accused of being a winebibber, a simple comparator of this would be me comparing and labelling somebody who enjoys driving their car at high speeds to a Formula 1 race driver, the label(whether accurate or exaggerated) always has some sort of link to the actions that the person in question carries out. Christ wouldn’t have been accused of winebibbing if he was drinking water, milk or orange juice and your cup analogy is simply a ridiculous stretch. Winebibber has a foundation of drinking wine, as I stated before there is no way around this, at least there is no “logical” way around this.

        By the way it should also be noted that there are no scriptures that point to Christ bathing himself nor going to the toilet, therefore going by your form of logic on both of these, for the entire time he was here on earth he never used the toilet nor did he wash himself either.

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      • verbs2013,

        I regret you are holding to a position that leans on your own understanding, rather than being led by The Word. For Luke 22:18 clearly states Him saying that HE WILL NOT DRINK OF THE FRUIT OF THE VINE until the kingdom of Yahweh shall come. You are mistakenly inserting words that are not there. You are saying that He said HE WILL NOT DRINK OF THE FRUIT OF THE VINE (ANY MORE). How can He not drink wine any MORE, or AGAIN, if He never consumed it to begin with. You are mistakenly placing verse 16 into verse 18. Because He said He will not any more EAT thereof in verse 16. But verse 18 clearly states Him saying that He will not drink of the fruit of the vine. If you would not erroneously add extra words, you will be able to see that He never drank of the vine. This is something that He said He won’t do! Not what He won’t do again! Something that He never did, and will not do until the kingdom comes! Perhaps, maybe in the future He will partake of the vine, but at that time, He did not. For He was not placed on this earth to indulge in alcohol. He came not for His own will, but the one who sent Him. Also, He is truly of His Word, for He did not eat again. He was murdered soon after His last supper. Your saying this is not true.

        Also, the folks who regularly accused Him, would certainly make up anything to try to discredit Him. [“And the MessiYah said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?] They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!” (Luke 7:31-34).

        If you would notice that in the first verse, this is the MessiYah Himself speaking. Next thing, is to notice that in this very same verse, He was showing an example. He was showing the example of what the people of that time were like. So, you should be able to understand that, He was explaining to the people how the wicked generation of that time would lie on you. That if they would see Him or anyone else that was opposite themselves in spirit. They would lie on them, to hurt them. He was simply making an example that folks would use means to lie, in order to make a person look bad. A man could be eating a turkey drumstick, and these folks would say he was eating a dog.

        A person does not have to be drinking wine for these folks to accuse them of doing so. They are not that “honest.” He knows the character of these folks, and that it wouldn’t matter if a person was only drinking water, these people certainly accuse them of being a drunkard. He was simply explaining how wicked these people were, that all.

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      • Zerlinyah,

        We are simply going to have to agree to disagree on this particular issue. I simply cannot go any further with you on this subject because your position is based upon a preconceived doctrine that you are holding onto emotionally rather than bringing your position to the floor to be scrutinised and put through the fire. The points that you have raised can be easily refuted and in fact I have already dealt with them. Other people will view this post and comment, it will be interesting to hear their views based upon the information that has been put forward by both sides.

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