HEBREWS STILL NOT GETTING IT – CHRIST IS ETERNAL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AND WAS ONCE EQUAL TO THE FATHER – Short Post!

YET MORE ERROR DEMONSTRATED

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Yet more error I see that the majority of Hebrews are making. The 2 main reasons that I believe are behind so much error being taught are:

1. Intelligence service infiltration.

2. Prideful and arrogant Hebrews attempting to make a name for themselves by gathering as much information and knowledge as possible within a short period of time rather than simply waiting on the Most High for true revelation and not jumping ahead of themselves.

Yet another monumental error I have heard being propagated out of the Hebrew camp is that in the beginning Christ was created by the Father. Yet us set the record straight on this one, Christ’s physical human body which he used to walk the earth with was indeed created(without hands) however Christ himself has always been with the Father, in fact at one stage Christ was equal to the Father. Christ only became a son when he voluntarily demoted himself from his position in order to be made a sacrifice for his people. Christ like the Father has never seen a “beginning”. For those who do not believe me allow me to demonstrate.

BACK AND FORTH

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We will first deal with Christ not having a beginning before he came to earth. Is Christ truly an eternal figure, just like the Father having no beginning? Indeed he is. To be honest, it would be easy to turn to John 1:1 which reads:

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word WAS WITH GOD, and the WORD WAS GOD.

However, this scripture does not definitively state that Christ is eternal. What we can see however is that Christ is given the title of God meaning that he is a member of the Godhead which means that he can be worshipped also. So much for the “only the Father is to be worshipped” doctrine. Since he is a member of the same team as the Father, if you worship him you automatically worship the Father also. Remember when Christ stated that “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father”? And why shouldn’t Christ receive worship seeing as he was the one who sacrificed his life for us? Also remember that Christ stated that whoever accepted him and his words has accepted the Father too.

However, to determine the status of Christ we go to Micah 5:2 which reads:

5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be RULER IN ISRAEL; whose goings forth have been from of old, FROM EVERLASTING.

Where was Christ born? Bethlehem. Where is he to rule from? Israel. From what time period has he come from? From EVERLASTING. It has been here all along, Christ could not have been created since this scripture clearly states that his beginning is from everlasting……meaning no beginning. You could also say from eternity. So, if you are told that Christ was created, you can show whoever is propagating this error Micah 5:2.

Hebrews commonly use Colossians 1:15 to purport their “Christ created” doctrine which reads:

1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature:

See, it says firstborn, which means that he must have been created right??? Wrong, had Hebrews continue 3 verses down they would clearly read what the term firstborn was pertaining to. Colossians 1:18 reads:

1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

As we can clearly see, Christ was the first to be raised from the dead, not the first to be created. Again, this is a silly error which most Hebrews are making in their zeal to accumulate heavy volumes of knowledge in their quest to be renowned and reputated ie a somebody in the eyes of men.

CHRIST ONCE EQUAL TO THE FATHER?

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Is this true, can it be possible that Christ was once equal in level to the Father? Of course, this is not too hard to imagine since it has already been proven without a doubt that Christ is eternal in both directions. In order to examine the account we must turn to Philippians 2:5-11 which reads:

2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD:

2:7 BUT MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION,  AND TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT, and was made in the likeness of men:

2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

There it is in plain sight, we clearly read in verse 6 that Christ did not think that he was robbing  the Most High by being equal and level with him. We also read in the next verse that Christ demoted himself, yes DEMOTED HIMSELF and became a servant unto the Most High in order to fulfill the required sacrifice for Israel. Now there are many Hebrews who do not accept Christ for who he is and who believe that they can attain righteousness and connect to the Father via alternative means. Micah 5:2 confirms that Christ is the chosen subject to rule for the Father and the famous verse of John 14:6 confirms that there is no other direction to the Most High but through Christ. It reads:

14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME.

1 Timothy 2:5 also confirms this position, it reads:

2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Now, any Hebrews who still support the above positions which have been easily deconstructed are quite welcome to leave their comments and demonstrate their stance on these positions and why they disagree with scriptures en tow please.

The Deprogramming And Decontamination Process Continues

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Most High Bless

19 thoughts on “HEBREWS STILL NOT GETTING IT – CHRIST IS ETERNAL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AND WAS ONCE EQUAL TO THE FATHER – Short Post!

  1. To the writer what are you trying to say? are you trying to stir up the Hebrews? first of all if you don’t have the spirit of Yah in you; clearly your understanding to the word will be off basis, this is one of many reason(s) that followers of so call Christianity and many other forms of religion are confused and twisted in there thinking to the word. The spirit of Yah will give a man wisdom,understanding and knowledge to his word. Many of the AKA African Americans have been giving Christianity as a spiritual foundation from our Slave masters, and from this we as a people continue to harvest what has been past on to us from our mothers,fathers, ect. We are the only race of people that have been destroyed from lack of Knowledge, we don’t read, research, listen or believe that the most high;Yah is our Elohim, Hebrew Israelites have never been confined to religion. The words Jesus, GOD, Lord are Pagan deities which should never be spoken from YAH chosen people, now that I say this many of you would disagree because you will not research, study or read to prove what I say is wrong and this is because your minds have been so destroyed by Christianity that you are a dead people walking. The letter J isn’t in the Hebrew alphabet but you find it as Jesus in the Bible, if the so call religious scholars that translated the Hebrew Bible the right way you wouldn’t find the letter j in the Bible.

    Retrieve King James bible year 1611 and see if you will find the word Jesus or the letter J anywhere in this bible. Blacks wake up and stop being the doormat of other races. YAH loves his chosen people Hebrew Israelites AKA African Americans

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    • The “J” theory is all wrong. The old testament was written in Hebrew but the new testament wasn’t written in Hebrew it was written in Greek and It wasn’t the Greeks that wrote it, it was the Apostles. The Apostles wrote in Greek and the Greek name for Jesus has the same meaning as the Hebrew name Yehoshua which means “The Lord is Salvation”. The 1611 Bible has it written as Iesus and why do you think it starts with an “I”; it is because the new testament was written in Greek.

      There is this big emphasis on research but God made His word plain and simple but the problem is nobody stays in His word they go off and do research in what other people say and that’s what confuses a man. God even stated how easy it is to understand His Word. (Mat 18:3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.) The Spirit of God does give a man wisdom, knowledge and understanding, matter a fact the Spirit of God teaches us all truth; so all we need to study is the Word of God and come with an open and humble mind of a child only trusting in our Father. So I want you to research the Word of God ONLY and tell me what does it say in the 1611 version about God, Jesus, and Lord and let the Spirit of God speak to you. Genesis 1(God); Matthew 1(Iesus/Jesus); Genesis 2(LORD). If you go outside of the Word then you are no longer letting the Spirit teach you so then of course you would be mislead to believe the opposite of what God has plainly written in His Word. Once you go outside of the Spirit of God then the devil can tell you all kinds of lies; like the Bible has been corrupted; God, Lord, and Jesus are all pagan names; Christianity is evil. According to Scripture all these claims are false and the Spirit of God warns us (2Pe 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.) The reason I sight this scripture is because it says, “even denying the sovereign Lord”. You mentioned the 1611 Bible but do you call the Messiah according to what you read, “Iesus Christ” and those that you listen to, do they call on the name of “Iesus Christ” This is the first and very plain way to know that they are false prophets and they will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the “sovereign Lord who bought them”. They are not just false prophets but according to your 1611 version and according to my Bible they are antichrists (1 John 2:22 Who is a lier, but hee that denieth that Iesus is the Christ? hee is Antichrist, that denyeth the Father, and the Sonne.) also (1 John 4:3);(2 John 1:7). This antichrist will tell you many lies to persuade you from the truth, he will introduce false doctrine and deny the very name Jesus Christ that is in his very own Bible by saying the Bible has been corrupted. First the false prophet says the Bible is accurate but then He says the Bible isn’t accurate when comes to the name of the Messiah. The Bible is either one or the other; if it has been corrupted then it has no power and God is a liar and we are all lost… but!!! God isn’t a liar; the Bible is protected by the Spirit of God for it is the testimony of God and He has testified that the name of Christ is Iesus or Jesus. Your soul is dearly loved by God… read and learn from God.

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      • I beg to differ. The “J theory” is correct. There is no letter “J” in Hebrew, Greek, or Latin. The letter “J” is not more than a few hundred years old. This is why you can’t find it in the 1611 King James Version of the Bible. They used the letter “I” because there was no “J”. The 1611 KJV of the Bible is written in English so why would one have to translate English to English? If my name is Rachel in English today years from now it will still be Rachel in English. Furthermore names are not translated. If you take a trip to Greece and your name is John. When you arrive in Greece your name will still be John. You will introduce yourself as John and everyone you meet will call you by your name, John. This name translation lie is simply nonsense to get you to forget His name.

        Let’s use the Word of Yah (Ps. 68:4) to see why the name has been changed. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of Yah.” (John 3:18) His name is very important. Jesus is NOT His name! Jesus is Serapis a Greek god. You can no more use Jesus to worship Yah than you can use Buddha.

        Jer 23: 26, 27 “How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart, who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal. (Lord is another word used for Baal)

        Ex 23:13 And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from your mouth.

        Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

        As early as 1611 King James began to remove the Name of Yah and Yahoshua from the Bible. Yah was changed to Lord and God, and Yahoshua was changed to Iesus (a Greek goddess which is why most pictures of the white Jesus look feminine) and Jesus (a Greek god named Serapis). It is pure nonsense to believe that the Bible has not been tampered with. It has not been completely destroyed but pagan names have been placed in it due to the simple power that is connected in the name of our Elohim. (you use God)

        The apostles did not write the “New Testament” in Greek. They were Hebrews. They spoke and wrote in Hebrew. Look up Acts 21:37- 22: 2 Paul spoke to the Hebrews in Hebrew. (Side Note: He looked like an Egyptian. He was a black man. Egyptians are a black race of people and so are the Hebrews. Not the white folks in Israel today who the Christian church says are Yah’s chosen people. That’s another lie of Christianity but we don’t have space or time for that.) The Bible was translated into English because we speak and read English. This name translation stuff is what they teach you in Christianity. But if you take some time to think, what you are being told really makes no sense. Names DO NOT change in translation.

        The true believers of Yah will seek Him and find Him when they search for Him with all their heart. How can you search for Yah by looking in the same place? Here is another lie of Christianity, “If you look somewhere else you will be deceived.” Yah has given all of us the ability to think for ourselves. He knows our heart. Before Yahoshua died for our sins He prayed, “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.” He goes on to pray that, I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in me through their word; (John 17).

        Where did this lie of don’t think for yourself come from? The most pagan religion on earth the Roman Catholic Church in the Council of Chalcedon 451 AD. “These things, therefore, having been expressed by us with the greatest accuracy and attention, the holy Ecumenical Synod defines that no one shall be suffered to bring forward a different faith, nor to write, nor to put together, nor to excogitate, nor to teach it to others. But such as dare either to put together another faith, or to bring forward or to teach or to deliver a different Creed to such as wish to be converted to the knowledge of the truth, from the Gentiles, or Jews or any heresy whatever, if they be Bishops or clerics let them be deposed, the Bishops from the Episcopate, and the clerics from the clergy; but if they be monks or laics: let them be anathematized.”

        How do you control people? Don’t allow them to think for themselves. Tell them what you want them to believe and tell them if they think for themselves they will be lost or it will have dangerous consequences. Yah tells us, “My people are DESTROYED for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your Elohim, I also will forget your children.” (Hosea 4:6) Today’s ministers have led and are leading Yah’s people astray. They go to the schools of the Gentiles (Christian Seminaries) and teach His people lies.

        We are the only people who refuse to know our history. We even say that to know our history in this country is hate. We refuse and fight against seeking any type of knowledge. Well the Bible is our history. We were given the task of telling the world about Yah but now we have other people teaching us our history and telling us it’s their history. We have been exiled into the land of our enemies because of our disobedience to Yah. (Lev. 26:40; Deut. 28 read all of Yeremiyah/ Jeremiah, Ezekiel, even Daniel saw what would happen to us) Exile has happened to Yah’s people over and over in the Word due to their disobedience. That is why we are in America today exiled into the land of our enemy. Taken throughout the world in ships back into slavery. (Deut 28) Think. Our enemy is giving us our religion and we are clinging to it (paganism) like it’s the Truth! Calling Yah by the name of pagan deities made of rock and stone and we wonder why all our singing, praising, speaking in tongues and whatever has gotten us no where.

        Now is the time to return to Yah and His ways. To leave this nonsense Christianity that was given to us. Come out of her My people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive her plagues.” (Rev. 18:4) There were no Christians in Africa before the slave trade. We cannot be Christians. What churches did the apostles go to? How about Abraham, Daniel, Isaac, Yacob? None of them went to church. Yahoshua didn’t go to different synagogues? Going to church is a means of control and a continuance of paganism. This Jesus garbage has done nothing for us and never will!

        Look at us, what has Christianity done for us? Where is its power to deliver? Where is the power of “Jesus”? Yahoshua said, “Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” (Luke 10:19) There is no power because what you believe is A LIE. You will defend it until your death rather than do a little research to investigate whether these things are so or simply look at its fruit. Look at the fruit of Christianity are we better off for our belief. No, we are still a joke to the rest of the world. We are in every religion to no avail. Our condition as a people has not changed!

        This Jesus Christ name changing nonsense is just one of the MANY lies you have been taught!

        Lastly, remove your fear. It does not come from Yah. Do some research and remember the words of Yahosuah Messiah. “However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.” When the Spirit of Truth has come He (not the seminary, not the pastor) will guide you into ALL truth! My sheep hear My voice and a stranger they will NOT follow. You will not be deceived!

        Shalom,

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    • Yahchanan Yisrael,

      Shouldn’t you rather be searching the scriptures to see if the things mentioned above are actually so? The truth has never gone down well with my people and I have written several posts explaining why this is the case. This is one of the main problems with black people, they hate being shown that they are incorrect and this is one of the main reasons why we are in the position that we are in, very few want to acknowledge the truth and put away the error. In 2013 black folks actually enjoy wallowing in and rolling about in the mire.

      It is not just African Americans who are the Hebrews, the Most High stated that Israel would be scattered throughout the 4 corners of the earth. Israel is everywhere, not only in the US.

      Again, the information I have presented cannot be refuted, I am not rolling along with a religious concept, I am simply looking at what the scriptures are informing me of. If Micah 5:2 says that Christ is from everlasting then that means that he had no beginning, why is this so hard for some people to understand and accept? If you believe that the information presented above is not correct then you are welcome to put forward your thesis with scriptures to back it.

      This business about the letter J I am fully aware of however it is not relevant to this particular discussion, the man whom the Most High has annointed to be king over Israel, call him whatever name you want to, is eternal, he did NOT have a beginning. Now this irrefutable information may indeed clash with certain “dodgy interpretations and doctrines” that you may have received from so called “elders” within the camp however, that is not my problem. If they are giving you incorrect information then that is down to them.

      I will stand against and correct error regardless of what direction it is coming from, this is what a true Hebrew is supposed to do, not back up error and false doctrines being taught by folks calling themselves “elders” because they may have a strong personality, which is mostly the case when it comes down to Hebrews, it is all about protecting the reputation of their leadership at all costs even if this means rolling along with error and nonsense. I have seen this first hand for myself. Not me, not me at all.

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      • “This business about the letter J I am fully aware of however it is not relevant to this particular discussion, the man whom the Most High has annointed to be king over Israel, call him whatever name you want to, is eternal, he did NOT have a beginning. Now this irrefutable information may indeed clash with certain “dodgy interpretations and doctrines” that you may have received from so called “elders” within the camp however, that is not my problem. If they are giving you incorrect information then that is down to them.”

        The letter J has relevance. Can I call you whatever I feel like and then say you know who I mean? I think not. Let’s make sure we are talking about the same person. The J discussion is important because it points out what many Christians refuse to believe; that the scriptures have been tampered with.

        It sounds like you are going along with the Council of Nicea in 325 AD with the Jesus Christ equal to the Father (Yah) stuff. Where did that teaching come from? Prior to 325 AD, and the decision at the Council of Nicea, the church taught what the Messaiyah taught about Himself: He was a man indwelled by the Father. (John 14:10-11.) Yahoshua transformed into the Son of Yah at His baptism, as the gospels of Matthew and Luke. Also in Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5 it also says that, “For to which of the messengers (angels) did He ever say, ‘You are My Son TODAY I have brought You forth?’ and “…You are My Son, TODAY I have brought You forth.”

        Yahoshua did not become the Son of Yah until after His baptism when He became indwelled with the Spirit. However, what’s MOST important is that we keep His commands.

        Shalom,

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      • Ms Jefferson,

        There is a grand difference between the information pertaining to my name and the info in relation to the true name of Christ. I can show you the original documentation pertaining to my name(birth certificate), we could all view the documents for ourselves, however when it comes down to the true name of Christ, much of the information has been lost, destroyed and been replaced with false data aswell as red herrings. Just over the span of the last year alone I have seen so many names fly across this screen purporting to be the true name of Christ. The same factors apply to the Most High, in fact I wrote a post on this very topic of names and discovered that all of the names that Hebrews are currently pushing forward as the true names of the Messiah and the Father all stem from the Babylonian Tetragrammaton and JewISH mysticism. This is why I personally have decided to remain neutral on the name issue and refer to the Most High as that or the Father and Christ as just that or the Messiah until I receive a personal revelation on this issue from the Highest himself.

        I do not doubt that the scriptures have been tampered with however I have yet to see somebody step forward with an evident “before” and “after” example of this tampering. I have also yet to see somebody step forward with the transcript from the Council of Nicea meeting in which the things that are claimed were decided. At least everybody can pick up a bible for themselves and read an account first hand, however with the Council of Nicea claim, we are forced to rely on upteenth hundreth hand information, books referencing books referencing books referencing books referencing books referencing books referencing books referencing books referencing books etc.

        The book of Philippians was written before the Council of Nicea meeting in 325AD, the scriptures I brought forward are plain to be read, Christ was equal to the Father at a point in time but later demoted himself to become a servant and fulfill the sacrifice needed for Israel. This has nothing to do with a meeting in the past, this is what I can clearly read for myself TODAY. This business about the Father transforming into the Son is utter rubbish, it cannot be that way for many reasons. Sorry for being so blunt but I have to call this out for what it is, yet more teachings of error coming forth from the Hebrew camp:

        1. The angel Grabriel declared to Mary that the Messiah was to be called the Son of the Highest, he did not make mention of any “transformation” that would take place(Luke 1:32-35).

        2. When the Messiah was baptised, where did the voice come from that proclaimed him as a beloved son? Was Christ now a ventriloquist who was a highly skilled expert at throwing his voice from heaven down to earth(Matthew 3:16-17)?

        3. What about that “mystery” voice that spoke again when Christ was in the high mountain with Peter, James and John where they saw Moses and Elijah? Was this more expert ventriloquism on the part of the Messiah(Matthew 17:1-5)?

        4. Who was the Messiah praying to before he raised Lazarus from the dead(John 11:41-42) and who was he speaking to when he LIFTED UP HIS EYES TO HEAVEN when he was praying for his disciples before they went into the garden(John 17)? Is this a case of the Messiah turning insane and conversing with himself?

        5. You mentioned John 14:10-11 as part of your evidence for this transformation however, had you dropped down to verse 20, you would now see that this transformation thesis has a serious issue. If we move along with the logic that you have brought to the table, we all are now the Father and the Messiah also.

        6. The final piece of evidence I will list to put down this “transformation” thesis is Acts 7:55 where Stephen looked up to heaven and saw 2 FIGURES, the Messiah standing at the right hand side of the Father shortly before he was stoned to death. Was this an optical illusion on Stephen’s part?

        I could have continued with many more examples to illustrate the ridiculous nature of this transformation thesis, however I will stop here as I believe that this position has been thoroughly deconstructed with the evidence presented above.

        On a final note to put the nail in the coffin on this transformation thesis, remember that the Most High declared that he had a Son way before Matthew. What about Psalms 2:7, 12? Sounds like a declaration of a Son was already in place a long time before the baptism of the Messiah. If there was only one being in heaven before, what about Psalms 110:1?

        Be careful with what you are being taught by Hebrews calling themselves so called “elders, bishops, deacons, officers” etc. You cannot roll at the scriptures with the flesh and freestyle your way through. You have clearly seen the results of doing that above for yourself.

        Most High Bless

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      • Response to Verbs2013 September 27, 2013 at 00:52 post to Ms Jefferson.

        Based on what you posted, for all you know your own birth certificate could have been tampered with. The word of Yah states that there is POWER in the names of the Father and Son. But according to you we can’t know those names because we can’t trust information in books other than the Bible (which has been tampered with). So Yah has given us worthless information because we will never be able to access the power in his name.

        With out going into detail verse by verse I’ll mention a few things that Yah does in His NAME. Then we can get back to the real discussion. This is just food for thought. His is received through His name (Matt 18:5); Prayers are answered in His name (John 14:14); The Son manifested His Father’s name (John 17:6); We are kept through His name (John 17:6); We are to declare His name (John 17:26); We are to bear His name before the Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel (Acts 9:14)
        We will suffer for His name (Act 9:15); Worship …every knee shall bow and every tongue confess (Phil 2: 10, 11)

        Along with heal the sick, cast out demons, receive salvation, teach, speak, bind, call on, baptize in, believe in, hallow, resurrect the dead, etc. Most importantly Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

        Think about it. Are we really commanded to do many things in a name we can never know? The same name that gives us the authority and power to act, I think not. His name is extremely important and we will never have power or authority without it. This is why they want you to believe it does not matter. Just call Him whatever you want. Heck, you know who I mean. Why do you think the pagans went about changing His name in the Bible? They know it has power. So they changed it to the names of their sun deities. As long as we call on Jesus, Christ, Lord, God and worship on the day of the sun (Sunday) we will have no power. However, when we wake up to the power of His name (many of us are) the time of the Gentiles will be fulfilled.

        Israel is commanded to keep the their worship pure and undefiled by destroying everything pertaining to pagan worship, even to destroy the names of the pagan deities (Deut. 12:3), and not even to “mention the names of other mighty ones, nor let it be heard from your mouth” (Ex 23:13).

        Lastly, the evidence you seek regarding the tampering with the scriptures is the fruit. You don’t have to believe that the Council of Nicea ever existed. That’s fine. You don’t have to believe that the Council of Chalcedon ever took place. However, you do have to explain the lack of power in your belief to change our condition. When I read the Word there is power and persecution of the truth. Where is the persecution for the truth you believe? What Christians are saying and have been saying for years, moves nobody. Why? Because it has no power and is based in a lie wrapped in paganism.

        Okay back to the discussion.
        Honestly I’m not sure where you are going with these statements. I thought we were talking about Yahoshua being equal to Yah and in existence before the creation of the world. Here’s my stab at it.

        The Father and Son are not the same person. A son is not equal to a father. The Father is greater. Anything with two heads is a monster. Two things cannot occupy the same space. Yahoshua came as the last Adam to restore what Adam lost by disobeying his Father and listening to Satan. He wanted to be like Yah, hence our current situation living in a world of sin.

        I believe Yahoshua existed before for the creation of the world. So did Lucifer and Yah’s messengers (angels). He was with the Father but not the Father. He is the Son and he came to restore what Adam lost and eradicate sin and Satan forever. Yahoshua came as a man to show man how to life as Yah designed. He is not the Father but pointed us to the Father. The Father is seeking such to worship Him not the Son.

        Point 1 – He WILL BE great. He WILL BE called the Son of the Highest. Meaning it would happen at a later time. Did Yah give Him the throne of His father David at His birth? Has that happened yet? Nope.

        Point 2 – The voice came from heaven. See Luke 3: 22. After this event Yahoshua began His ministry. Not before. No He was not a ventriloquist. His Father was speaking. Once again they are not the same person. Yahoshua was birthed on earth. Hence his beginning, there is no beginning to eternity it’s just eternity.

        Point 3 – Same as point two.

        Point 4 – His Father, you know: Our Father which art in heaven hallowed be thy NAME (just wanted to emphasis the name thing again)

        Point 5 – No, but He will manifest Himself in us. (vs. 21) Just like He did in His Son Yahoshua. We haven’t and never will die for anybody’s sin but our own if we don’t chose the Son of Yah. However, the Father can and will manifest Himself to us. He will make His home with us. Keep reading it is self explanatory.

        Point 6 – When Stephen looked up to heaven and saw the two figures. He did see the Messiah standing at the right hand of the Father. Why wouldn’t he be? He had already told the disciples that He was going to prepare a place for them. He had already been resurrected.

        As for Psalms 2: 7, 12, it’s prophesy. Read it again.

        Lastly, no worries I seek wisdom and understanding from Yah Himself. I’m well aware of the great deceiver. Loved the discussion. May Yah bless you for your zeal and study of His Word. Shalom.

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      • Ms Jefferson,

        Now you are beginning to venture into hocus pocus, magic, sorcery type territory. If my birth certificate had been tampered with and the name on it was different to the name that my mother called me(it isn’t by the way), then she would have simply return it and requested a new one. The name that she calls me by is the same name on the document so there is no room for could be, possibly, if and maybe in relation to this, it is what it is.

        You have skim read my comment, I do find that people will do this alot. I never stated that information from other sources completely cannot be trusted, what I do say is there is alot of contaminated information out there so one has to be very careful and vigilant. I am not dogmatic on the name issue because there are so many people claiming so many different names for the Highest and Christ.

        Aswell, the Most High is a Power of circumstances also, he fully understands the deception in the world yet is still gracious enough to respond to us regardless of what name we address him and his Son by. This is where faith and belief is exercised, I can call upon his Son by the name of Jesus and the Messiah will respond to me, I can call upon the Most High as heavenly Father or the Highest and he will respond. It is not so much the name, it is the direction of your heart and your actions that more count, this is what is important. Remember the Most High told us this in Jeremiah 17:10.

        Again, if you only knew Christ by the title of Messiah, you could heal the sick, cast out devils, walk on water, move mountains, call fire down from heaven etc successfully using that title. Again, it is the condition of the heart, faith, belief and your actions which are more important than worrying about names besides, join the queue in uncovering which names are correct. This is what Paul what talking about when he said that we have been called unto “liberty”, not bondage and yokes of iron. This name issue as far as I can see now has simply turned into a distraction and a yoke of bondage among Hebrews and I refuse to be part of it and wear that yoke.

        Your belief that you cannot call upon the names and titles you’ve mentioned has now been set in stone as your own stumbling block. Yes, YOU would now not be able to call upon the names and titles that you mentioned however because I recognise that the Most High is a Power of grace, mercy, circumstances and who is more concerned with my heart, my faith and belief in him and his son, the names that would not work for you will function just fine for me.

        Another dynamic to the name issue is “in his name” does not always refer to calling upon a specific name or title, it can also simply mean carrying out actions in the direction or under the direction of the Most High, so the name is not really the crux of the issue, where your heart is, your faith, belief and the direction and the director of your actions should be more your focus.

        With regards to the Council of Nicea, yet again this is more evidence of you skim reading as nowhere in my previous comment did I state that the Council of Nicea didn’t exist or take place. As I stated before, I simply would like to see the evidence of the “before” and “after”, however for some reason we never get to see this evidence. We are continuously told that the bible has been tampered with however we are never shown exactly what has been changed via documentation, that is my real concern. The only evidence of tampering I have seen real proof for is the removing of the Apocrypha and some other books and even then, this is a minor situation as I can still go and buy a King James Bible 1611 edition with the Apocrypha still in it and I can still find some of the other books that have been separated.

        Well, I have already clearly shown you through Philippians that Christ WAS equal to the Most High, that is not me saying it that is the scriptures speaking for themselves. You can go an read this again for yourself, your issue may be with the scriptures vs a particular interpretation that you may have received on this matter but nonetheless, what is written is written. Obviously he is not equal TODAY due to his own manoeuvre of self demotion to become a servant and a sacrifice for Israel which is also explained in Philippians. Indeed, as you have pointed out yourself, he became a Son to the Highest after his baptism so what level was he to the Most High before this time then? I believe that Philippians 2:5-8 provides the answer.

        When you mentioned the “transformation”, you stated that the Most High transformed into the Messiah. This would give anybody the impression that you were claiming that the Most High and Christ are the same person. With you having cleared this up with a clearer explanation now stating that the Most High and Christ are not the same person, there is no requirement for me to continue with a rebuttal down this particular path.

        Most High Bless

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      • Verbs 2013 what are you trying to say here. you wrote: 1) Shouldn’t you rather be searching the scriptures to see if the things mentioned above are actually so? 2) This is one of the main problems with black people, they hate being shown that they are incorrect and this is one of the main reasons why we are in the position that we are in, very few want to acknowledge the truth and put away the error. In 2013 black folks actually enjoy wallowing in and rolling about in the mire.

        I will leave it here and respond, you attack a man without cause, dialog is not one of the strong points among the Hebrew race, however I will not follow your lead here. But I will say, I do not and will not follow a people that have given us a religion that is called Christianity ,the same people who hate us. You know this by their works, YAH said because of your disobedience I will exile you into the land of your enemy. Brother this is the reason we as a people speak the words Jesus, Lord, GOD, Christ. We don’t even speak his real name and you think it makes no difference. Well I refuse to follow this wicked people. Take a look at the life style of your enemy and how much of it plays a part in your life. Clearly, I see a few things that you already follow from what they have taught you. YAH is His name and His only name, Yahoshua is His brought forth Sons name and the only one.. Pray for truth, understanding, wisdom and watch YAH lead you in the direction of truth. Never again will I believe anything that this wicked people whom we have been exiled to say about who we are and the word of YAH our history.

        I leave you with some things to think about. 1) Don’t let your enemy teach you about YAH and think you will succeed 2) The Torah was written in Hebrew so why weren’t there any Hebrews to help translate the word into this King James Bible? 3)Why is it that Hebrews who have been taught by their enemy stand up for the teachings of their enemy and attack their brothers? 4) Why is it that Hebrews fight among themselves and not against their enemy? 5) The Bible has been clearly tampered with but you disagree and would rather believe your enemy 6) The Bible is the history of the Hebrews, never forget that!

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      • Yahchanan Yisrael,

        First and foremost I am not attacking you, I was critiquing your response. The reason why I am so hard on my people is because I have been noticing a very wreckless trend being propagated out of the camp recently. It seems that Hebrews will accept somethings that are written in the scriptures that are simultaneously being taught by the institutional church yet other things that are also written plainly and being taught by the so called “church” they will reject.

        Things have gotten so ridiculous now to the point where we actually have brothers who are so desperate to distance themselves from the institutional church beast(which is a good thing)that they have now completely rejected Christ altogether and they claim that the new testament is no better than toilet paper. Check these videos out for confirmation:

        Israel is trundling backwards at a rapid pace because of folly and ignorance that could easily be avoided. Many brothers are foolishly using the teachings of the institutional church to determine whether something is true or not instead of reading the scriptures and allowing THEM to determine truth of themselves. If the scriptures state that Christ is from everlasting(Micah 5:2)ie having no beginning then that is where he is from. This is what the scriptures say regardless of who tags along a teaching with it, whether it be the institutional church beast system or the Roman Catholic church.

        What next, will we reject the miracles of Christ as the institutional church also teaches that Christ performed miracles? What next, will we reject Christ rising from the dead 3 days after his death because the institutional church teaches the same? This is my point, this has gotten too ridiculous beyond belief to where Hebrews are beginning to throw out sections of the bible because “the institutional church teaches this” or “the Roman Catholic church teaches that” therefore we cannot accept it even though the plain reading concludes the same without an interpreter or a preconception already in place.

        Again, I have stated this before, it is not about using the institutional church as a barometer to determine what to accept and what to reject, it is about reading the scriptures plainly and being HONEST about the interpretation. You are reminded that the bible that the Roman Catholic church uses contains the Apocrypha and we have investigated and discovered that these set of books are just as relevant as the 66 others. However by the current Hebrew logic we should reject the Apocrypha because the Roman Catholics teach out of it aswell.

        This road can become incredibly dangerous and it has become that way for many brothers. We do not know for certain the origins of the people responsible for the translation of the KJV, we know that the European man’s forte is to change history and to include himself in places, times and eras that have nothing to do with him so I personally wouldn’t be so fast as to state that no Hebrews were involved in the translation.

        I am not attacking anybody, I am attacking dodgy and dangerous precepts that are being propagated and held up as if they are gold by misguided Hebrews who are not walking according to the Spirit. The reason why Hebrews are not fighting against the enemy is because Hebrews are afraid of the enemy, so they internalize their fears and fight amongst each other, this is the easier route to take. However, I am not afraid of the enemy and have written many posts exposing the enemy for who he is.

        Until you can show me a “before tampering” and an “after tampering” I am going to believe what it written and not what people “reckon”. As I stated before, I agree with the tampering in relation to the removal of certain books however as I stated before, we can still pick up those books and read them for ourselves, the main set being the Apocrypha, the Book of Jubilees, the Book of Enoch, the first and second books of Adam and Eve, the book of Jasher etc.

        I am fully aware that these are our histories however beware of side stepping manoeuvres to where you could be persuaded to reject things that are indeed correct just out of fear because they are being taught by unfavourable organisations. I am also aware of the name issue, however as I have stated before the name issue itself has become a distraction with brothers and sisters bashing down other brothers and sisters who are not using the particular names that they subscribe to and with so many names being pushed I personally am going to remain neutral on this topic until I receive a personal revelation from the Highest himself with regards to which names are the correct ones for him and his son.

        Most High Bless

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      • Verbs 2013, thanks for sharing the videos. Yes many Hebrews are looking for a easy way out to justify there wrongs, however remember that 2/3rds will be destroyed and the remnant will carry on YAHs word and from this there won’t be anymore confusion of the word; but at the same time how many times should you forgive your brother? 7×70 with this said pray that your brothers are shown the truth because all the House Of Israel won’t see his glory. It is a good thing that many of us are coming out of the church but at the same time what are they filling there mind with? As you know an idle mind is the devils playground. Brother glad to know that your heart hurts when you see your Brothers going astray, stay strong and continue to pray for them that lack Understanding, Wisdom and Knowledge.

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      • Yahchanan Yisrael,

        This is the whole point of this blog, to bring about the truth including truths that are painful to bear, to deal with issues that most folks do not want to talk about and to correct errors where possible. I will continue to make posts because I know that there are a remnant of Hebrews out there who are getting it. I accept that my posts are not for the many, they are for the few which is the intention to begin with. As you have pointed out, most of our people are going to perish, my mission is to reach out to those who can be reached in order to pull them out from the zombie Hebrew crowd.

        Most High Bless

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  2. To the readers,
    The testimony of Jesus beginning
    Colossians 1:15-17 then in verse 18 He start with “and” which means in addition to verse 15. (18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.) in verse 15 He says he is the firstborn over all creation then he adds that he is the head of the body then says reiterates that he is the beginning and(addition) the firstborn of the dead. Why would he be the firstborn of all creation(life) and firstborn of the dead(death), the answer is in the last part of verse 18; “so that in everything he might have the supremacy”

    Colossians 1:15 states it very clear that he is the firstborn of all creation but Scripture always backs up scripture. We know that Jesus Christ is Wisdom for Scripture says, “It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 1Cr 1:30” In other words we can apply Wisdom as a name referred to Jesus… ie Word of God; Lamb of God; Faithful and True, well get my point. Lets go back to the Old testament that is rich in prophesy.

    This is for the reader; this is how I see Colossians 1:15 being reinforced by scripture. This is my favorite prophecy of Jesus Christ the Son of God. As you read you can see how Jesus is talking about Himself.

    Proverbs 8
    1Does not wisdom call out?
    Does not understanding raise her voice?
    2 At the highest point along the way,
    where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
    3 beside the gate leading into the city,
    at the entrance, she cries aloud:
    4 “To you, O people, I call out;
    I raise my voice to all mankind.
    5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
    you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
    6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
    I open my lips to speak what is right.
    7 My mouth speaks what is true,
    for my lips detest wickedness.
    8 All the words of my mouth are just;
    none of them is crooked or perverse.
    9 To the discerning all of them are right;
    they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
    10 Choose my instruction instead of silver,
    knowledge rather than choice gold,
    11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
    and nothing you desire can compare with her.
    12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
    I possess knowledge and discretion.
    13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
    I hate pride and arrogance,
    evil behavior and perverse speech.
    14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
    I have insight, I have power.
    15 By me kings reign
    and rulers issue decrees that are just;
    16 by me princes govern,
    and nobles—all who rule on earth.
    17 I love those who love me,
    and those who seek me find me.
    18 With me are riches and honor,
    enduring wealth and prosperity.
    19 My fruit is better than fine gold;
    what I yield surpasses choice silver.
    20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
    along the paths of justice,
    21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
    and making their treasuries full.
    22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
    before his deeds of old;
    23 I was formed long ages ago,
    at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
    24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
    when there were no springs overflowing with water;
    25 before the mountains were settled in place,
    before the hills, I was given birth,
    26 before he made the world or its fields
    or any of the dust of the earth.
    27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
    when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
    28 when he established the clouds above
    and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
    29 when he gave the sea its boundary
    so the waters would not overstep his command,
    and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
    30 Then I was constantly at his side.
    I was filled with delight day after day,
    rejoicing always in his presence,
    31 rejoicing in his whole world
    and delighting in mankind.
    32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
    blessed are those who keep my ways.
    33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
    do not disregard it.
    34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
    watching daily at my doors,
    waiting at my doorway.
    35 For those who find me find life
    and receive favor from the Lord.
    36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
    all who hate me love death.”

    Verses 22-26 is the birth or creation as stated in Colossians 1:15

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    • 32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
      blessed are those who keep my ways.
      33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
      do not disregard it.
      34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
      watching daily at my doors,
      waiting at my doorway.
      35 For those who find me find life
      and receive favor from the Lord.

      Quick question on your favorite text. Where are those blessings and favor? Answer: There are none for Yah’s people who follow Baal/Lord. See previous post.

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      • Ms Jefferson,
        (Psalm 68:4 Sing vnto God, sing praises to his Name: extoll him that rideth vpon the heauens, by his Name Iah, and reioyce before him.)

        So if God is a pagan name and Yah is right then why in this verse does it identify Him as both. How could the writer make a mistake so obvious as to use a pagan name. The fact is God is just the English version of Yah and Jesus is the English version of the Yeshua. You have admitted that the 1611 Bible was written in English will tell me what is Yah’s name listed in English in Genesis 1; Adonai listed in English in Genesis 2; and the English name for the Messiah in Matthew 1? If you can’t acknowledge the messiah in the language of the Bible you are reading then you are being mislead. Yehoshua or Yeshua is King of kings and Lord of lords; the Lamb or God; the Messiah; the Son of God. Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords; the Lamb or God; the Messiah; the Son of God. I have no problems confessing his name in either language.

        You stated that names don’t change in one language and that’s not entirely true but why would a person name change? Names change when the name itself is defining the person. One must find the meaning in the language to that defines the person. Yehoshua means “The Lord is our Salvation” but that name won’t have the same meaning in Greek, so the writers who where writing in the New Testament had to use a name in Greek that would have the meaning “The Lord is Our Salvation” and that name is Ἰησοῦς which translates to Jesus in English which literally means “Yah or Adonai is our Salvation”. I love you because I know his name and His the Spirit of God lives in me.

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      • This idea that Baal/Lord is the same is not scriptural. I was your 1611 version.

        (Deuteronomy 4:3 Your eyes haue seene what the Lord did because of Baal Peor: for all the men that followed Baal Peor, the Lord thy God hath destroyed them from among you.)

        (Judges 2:13 And they forsooke the Lord, and serued Baal and Ashtaroth.) – Lord = Adonai / Baal = false god

        (2 Kings 17:16 And they left all the Commandements of the Lord their God, and made them molten images, euen two calues, and made a groue, and worshipped all the hoste of heauen, and serued Baal.) – left the Commandments of the Adonai their Yah… and served Baal/false god.

        The fact is somebody told you that the name Lord is baal because you were led to believe that it is wrong to say God’s name in English. It’s ok for every nation of this world to say the name of God and His Messiah in their own language. This idea that it is wrong is causing you to hate people because they call on the name of the Lord in their language.

        1Cr 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

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    • Ello33,

      Should be easy for you to deconstruct then if indeed the post is on the looney side. I see however that the slogan and term slinging is still a predictable trait for you Negroes whenever you run into difficulties.

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