Film Asher??? Now We(The True Hebrews)Are The Terrorists – Up And Coming Film Is A Blatant HIT PIECE On Us!!

Well, seeing as the Hebrew Israelite movement has really begun to pick up steam, especially within the last 5 years or so and our people are beginning to find out the truth about who we really are according to the bible(which is just ONE of our history books) in numbers off the scale, it was only a matter of time till the cointel pro operatives jumped on the bandwagon and announced their counter attack strategy in attempting to derail our people from discovering the truth about their true heritage and true history.

Take a look at this short article which was forwarded to me recently by a good friend of mine,  in relation to a film that is shortly to go into production:

DANNY GLOVER JOINS THE CAST OF INDIE FILM ‘ASHER’!

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Veteran actor Danny Glover has joined the cast of Francisco Ordonez’s film ‘Asher’. Described as an urban Da Vinci Code with elements of Donnie Brasco, ’Asher’ is the story of an ambitious New York City college student name Paul Rueda who infiltrates a militant religious cult known as the Black Israelites.

Glover will play the powerful leader of the sect, who faces dissent within the ranks when a young member (played by Mehki Phifer, Torchwood) begins to break away from the organization for the purpose of what appears to be pulling off a terrorist operation.

“The Israelites” are known for their fiery sermons on the streets of New York.

Their main beliefs are that Blacks and Latinos are the true Chosen People of the Bible; that the world is controlled by a secret society known as the Illuminati who has spent thousands of years plotting the domination of the world, and that the Earth is in its final days.As Paul enters their world he befriends Zebulon, a rising member who Paul hopes to exploit for information.  However, Paul gets in over his head when he begins to “see” evidence that seems to prove the group’s bizarre claims, in particular, the belief that the Illuminati has started a plan to kill off the population of the world through biological weapons such as anthrax, and diseases like AIDS.  When Zebulon reveals to Paul that he and a few others have formed a separatist group Paul begins to participate in their activities knowing full well that he could be putting his life in danger.

‘Asher’ is scheduled to begin principal photography in Summer 2012.  Produced by Sandra Varona and Carlito Rodriguez, ‘Asher’ will mark the feature directorial debut of award-winning filmmaker Francisco Ordonez.

Currently the filmmakers are continuing to attach cast and explore financing options.

http://www.asherthefilm.com/

Now, if you think for a second that this film is going to portray the waking up of our people in a good light, then think again.  Notice that all of the names involved with the production side of this film are Spanish in origin. This would not be the first time that the Spanish have taken advantage of the so called Negro and made merchandise of him. Here, allow me to refresh your memory of our first historical encounter with the Spanish in the 1600s:

Slavery Branding

Ship Riots

Slaves In Distress!

Look Familiar???? Don’t you ever forget it. You see, the powers that be have a slight problem. They, having spent millions and millions of pounds/dollars to keep the real truth about who the so called Negro really is according to the bible, did not count on the movement of the Holy Spirit who is currently reviving the real Hebrews in mass numbers according to prophecy. Remember the arrogance of the European man, he believes that he is god and that the earth now belongs to himself. If only he had read Hosea 6:2 which reads:

6:2  After two days he will RIVIVE US: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Now we know from Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 that 1000 earthly years are equal to one day in heaven. This is also confirmed in the book of Jubilees. So the 2 days mentioned in the scripture above would equate to 2000 years. Hmmm, Christ sacrificed himself for our people around 2000 years ago. The time seems very fitting now don’t you think? Now you understand why these elitists and international bankers are in such a desperate hurry to slot their new world order into place. They truly know that their time is running out.

This is the time scale ratio used between heaven and earth and is relevant in all places EXCEPT when in reference to the creation. The Most High created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal 24 hour days and rested on the 7th day. This is obviously where the 7 day week comes from. The Most High did not work for 6000 years and rest for another 1000. He even repeats this creation time table in various places throughout the scriptures. This is why this time ratio wasn’t mentioned till much later in the scriptures, I believe that he deliberately did it this way because he did not want us confusing and mingling this time scale in with the creation period.

Let us look at the synopsis of this film again. Notice how we as Hebrews have been described as a “militant religious cult”. Remember the saying, “first impressions last”. Now most people will read this synopsis and immediately conclude that our heritage and history is a joke and that we are part of a religious cult when they see or hear the information that we bring. Trust me on this one, this film WILL receive the sponsorship that it is looking for. This film is simply predictive programming at work. You better remember this and remember it well, if you are being emotionally influenced by a film(which is practically all films today), you better believe that somebody is trying to input something into your mind and trying to get you to think a certain way, in other words, somebody is trying to do a number on your head.

I knew that sooner or later the European aristocracy would begin to make some major moves to counter our revival, it was inevitable as we are making some serious ground and licking some seriously heavy shots. Remember Negro, YOU WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO FIND OUT THAT YOU ARE IN FACT THE REAL HEBREW. The European man taught you the bible from a religious perspective when it was never meant to be looked at that way. Yet, it still hasn’t worked and we are still reviving from our ignorance of our true history more than ever despite his “scientrickfic” methods. It is time to batten down the hatches as we go into 2012, as their are going to be alot of “events” that will culminate in the people around us revealing their true hatred towards us like never before. This is what the scriptures were referring to as Jacob’s Trouble(Jeremiah 30:7).

Watch out for moves like this and similar dirty tactics that will be rolled out to pre brainwash the public aswell as our people still in ignorance as to who they really are. This is a war, however, we will prevail in the end. The Most High has never forgotten you Negro.

The Deprogramming And Decontamination Process Continues

Stay Individual

Blessings In Our Heavenly Father 

107 thoughts on “Film Asher??? Now We(The True Hebrews)Are The Terrorists – Up And Coming Film Is A Blatant HIT PIECE On Us!!

    • Very much agreed, we must re bolster and double our efforts. Much appreciated for you commendation. You are right, this is a sad state of affairs, but we knew this stage had to come sooner or later.

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      • I knew something was wrong about the name Ahayah asher ahayah?? Why would the enemies of THE MOST HIGH put his name in the book called the illuminati2 knowing full well that blacks can read and many buy books that most blacks don’t read?! I’m sorry I bought that book. But as you have said; I too, will stick with the name of our Creator’s THM, The Highest, Father. And if I say Yah…. It’s because the children of israel have the father’s name… 2Chron:7:14 if my people who are called by my name would humble themselves and pray and seek my face and “TURN” fromtheir wicked ways…. Yahushua, BeniYAH,YAHObadiYAH, IsaiYAH, JeremiYAH, ZechriYAH, ZephaniYAH, We have our father’s name.

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  1. We as a body of people are in shock at this Hebrew thing, this is why it is all so wild. But many are also taking this into quieter serious consideration because what is at stake here is more than a propaganda war. We forgot who we were, some enslaved us, continuously lied to us, some assumed our place while we were in our present state. Now they want to twist the truth and criminalize us again because we are awakening to a truth.
    Didn’t the Ten Commandments movie come out just before the 1948 Israel? This is not a new tactic.

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    • Its more the public I am concerned about because they will be continually dumbing down these zombies while at the same time ramping up the propaganda against us, not a good combination for the Hebrews.

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  2. Man, Verbs some incredible and miraculous things have been happening to me lately. The Most High is definitely and I mean definitely with us. Haven’t talked to you in quite a bit, but as far as this Asher movie. I can say they must be desperate as hell right about now. Stay up brother!

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    • Hey, it is very nice to hear from you, it has been a very long time indeed. Hope you have been well, we should catch up properly soon, drop me an email when you get a spare moment.

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  3. Hello my brother good post. The Sephardi Jews or aka Spanish Jews sold us into slavery starting in 1452, they used the Spanish Pope Alexander VI (1431- 1503) who was a Borgia to sign the “Inter caetera of May 4 1493” One year after the other Spaniard named Christopher Columbus found the new land. The Sephardi and the Catholics are both guilty of the slave trade and the genocide of millions of the chosen of AHYAH. Francisco Ordonez is a Spaniard, so his roots are of the Sephardi Jews. This films is a HIT PIECE no doubt, but it will back fire! They can not stop the truth. Only spin it. We have to address the misinformation of the BHI in New York City. They are misguided fools or pawns. If we create opposition now they will loss. Much respect Verb. Dawid

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    • Indeed, good to hear from you brother, it has been a while, happy new year, we will catch up very soon. Yes, the facts you have laid out on the people responsible for our enslavement is accurate to the T. Me personally, I have been rattling around the thought for a while now that the Roman Catholic Church and the Jewish impostors are one and the same, after all don’t so called “Rabbis” and the Pope wear the same Yamaka skull cap on their heads?

      You said it, this film is a straight up hit piece, however all praise to AHAYAH/AHYAH, the Most High Power of the Hebrews that we are on this propaganda hit piece like a rash before it has even gone into production, so we can begin to dismember this film of disinformation and warn people about the real objectives of the film before it even hits the ground.

      Always remember, FIRST IMPRESSIONS LAST and I guarantee you that the first scene in the film involving the Hebrews will be a negative one. This way that first negative image is impressed into the mind of the viewer and thus sets their opinion on the Hebrews from that moment on, regardless of the rest of the content of the film and other information presented within it. That is how these bums work and I’m sure they will opt for this tactical strategy.

      It will also be interesting to see the promotional poster for this film, I’m sure that will reveal some nuggets within itself alone. No surprise that Danny Glover would step up to the plate and sell his own people down the river, being a freemason and Boule what did we expect?

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  4. Hi all new to this but felt compelled to leave a comment. i spoke to a friend concerning various subjects relating to this, and was shown this article, I truely believe that the people of the disapora are the biblical jews who are of the lost tribes of Isreal. This slander and divide and conquer attempt at a movie in order to put to bed any idea of a significant history regarding Black/Negro people surely proves that our (so called)claim is true! Give the Almighty the glory honour and praise worthy of Him in Jesus name.

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    • This is the beginning of the propaganda against us the true Hebrews, what is referred to in the scriptures as Jacob’s trouble(Jeremiah 30:7). These JewISH people are very angry that we are not only showing the world that we are in fact the true Hebrews but also that we are identifying where these JewISH people really come from. They, having stolen our land and our heritage have been watching us for a very long time and have put in place “conveniences” such as entertainment, sports and music to keep us distracted and ensure that we never awaken to our true identity.

      Regrettably for them however, their plans have failed and we are waking up in record numbers, as the Most High said we would revive us in Hosea 6:2. So their next option is to demonise us in the media and turn the public against us using their propaganda machine. Be it Hollywood(which is owned by them) or the news media outlets(which are also owned by them), they will use whatever means necessary to denigrate us in the public eye(as if we do not suffer enough denigration from other people as it is). However, this will fall on its head and will fail, so they will naturally move to their next and final stage where they will attempt to kill us all.

      Not that the Most High is going to be having this stage either, let them come!

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    • Hi, This is exactly how I feel. The fact that Hollywood would spend money and time on a movie with this theme proves all the more that we are who we are . This makes more sense then anything I have ever learned growing up in the church, and I have only been “awake” for a year now.I expected things to get worse after the occupy movement kicked off, but this a direct in our face hit. GOCC has been telling us that we are the new terrorist and here we have it. SMH, but praises to Ahayah and Yashayah, the more they hate the closer we are to our deliverance. Shalom

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      • We are the poorest people on the planet but yet they will still attempt to portray us as terrorists, you have to laugh really. Let them come with their terrorist propaganda, agreed, all praises go to Ahayah and his son Yashayah for exposing these fraudsters for their nonsense and stupidity. In their persecution against us as you stated, it will only serve to increase our numbers by waking up more of our people at an even faster rate. The Most High Ahayah is our rock and our deliverer, he will prosper us and deliver us through these hard times.

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  5. 2 Corinthians 13:8 “For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.”

    Shalam Yasharahla, Israel definately is waking up. All tribes are seeing this now and it will only begin to look clearer through time. Brethren, stay strong in the faith. Let the scriptures keep you from slipping. For we all fight these same battles with principalities everyday, and remember..

    Zephaniah 2:1-3 “Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together O nation not desired: Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD’S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’S anger.”

    Just as war begins to rage here on earth, how much more of a battle is it going on within Israels minds! To stay on point in search of YAHAWAH, searching his word in hope of his reflection being shined upon us. Oh LORD forgive us, for we have taken so long to cleave unto you. And though Israel seeks a sign and a wonder, we forget easily how merciful you have been to us already. Let us not forget. Let us be as one. I pray for yall out there. Let us not forget to love one another.

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    • Your words of encouragement and continual endurance are much appreciated and very much welcome here. You hold in there too.

      Ahayah Bless

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    • Blessing to you also in the name of Ahayah. This movement cannot and will not be stopped regardless of what stunts the JewISH propaganda machine pulls out of the hat.

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  6. Craziness if all that we say is false why are they making such a big deal they make us out to be militant boy sure sounds like world war times when everything that goes against or government belief was Communist guess the new word is cult I thought cults controlled people we have freedom the freedom to believe a truth or not we believe in bringing the whole fold back to the father returning all the sons of Adam nobody ever asked how come there were tweleve tribes and the Jews are claiming to be one there were tweleve sons the question or knowledge and take them at there word evening know with there historical facts that isryal was evaided why did just one tribe return where are the other ten just asking

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    • They simply never figured on the Most High’s Spirit of truth awakening us to the real deal. They know what we are saying is true so they are going to use the brainwashed zombies called the general public against us. You are right, that is a serious and logical question that these JewISH people have not thought through, where are the other tribes if they are actually Israel? You see how things just look so blatantly out of sync when you begin to examine the JewISH sect and their claims to be the descendants of the biblical Hebrews?

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  7. You are so full of it. God is no respecter of persons. Anyway it has always been known that Native Americans are the Lost Tribes. They are so beautiful. You preach hate so you are not one of the Creators spokes persons or you would not preach hate. Blessed are the peace makers for they will inherit the earth. You are not a peacemaker.

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    • Just to address some of the other nonsense you wrote about not being a peace maker. Foolish woman, how is me alerting my people to evil propaganda that is being peddled against them and also reminding them about their bloody past at the hands of JewISH Europeans making war?

      Of course now, if I was a JewISH person, I automatically would have the exemption status to remind people all day everyday about the Holocaust and how the JewISH people suffered at the hands of Nazi soldiers in concentration camps. Hypocritical so called “christians”, you will descend into the depths of hell first and faster before those you condemn.

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  8. Your own people sold you to the Arabs who in turn sold you to whites.The Arabs are still buying little African boys and are raping them and enslaving them.

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    • Disrespectful harridan. First of all woman, do not enter this blog with your incoherent emotional rants of non direction and definitely steer clear of Verbs, especially if you haven’t got your facts straight as I will rip you a new one and I will overturn your crate and spill your milk all over the streets.

      The Native Americans make up A FEW of the tribes of Israel, NOT ALL OF THEM. What, are you trying to say that Black people are too ugly to be of the Most High’s chosen? Wouldn’t really surprise me, that is why you other nations are going to receive hard judgements at the hand of Ahayah. This is a typical insinuation that normally comes out of the mouths of white people. Jeremiah 14:2 reads:

      Jer 14:2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are BLACK unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.

      The tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, the only tribes who were in the land at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD(have you forgotten that the other tribes were removed out of the land in 721BC by the King of Assyria – 2 Kings 17) were and are NEGROID in descent. The natives of South America also make up a few of the tribes of Israel. You would be wise to stop listening to these commercial preachers, so called “theologians”, HIStorians and scholars and their watered down, fabricated and distorted versions of our history and conduct your own investigations and research. Question, exactly what am I preaching hate about?

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    • More European propaganda, nonsense and evil deception. If you knew anything you should know that Negroes and original Native Africans are not from the same bloodline, the so called Negro originates from the line of Shem whereas the original Africans originate from the lineage of Ham.

      You are even informed in the Zondervan Compact Bible Dictionary under the heading of “Ham”, that the so called Negroes do not descend from Ham. The native original Africans(Hamites) and the Arabs sold the so called Negro into the hands of the JewISH European powers who in turn brought us under the yoke of slavery, not our own people.

      Its always some other nation of people trying to dictate to us Hebrews about what happened to our forefathers in the past. Nations outside of the Hebrews would do well to keep silent, not arrogantly think that you are an authority over other people’s history and learn in humility about the correct history of the Hebrews from the true Hebrews.

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    • Proverbs 28:1, so appropriate. The fool’s mouth must be checked and stopped immediately in his/her folly lest others also become contaminated with the same ignorant impudence and volatile stupidity.

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  9. no matter where we hebrews go to talk to each other, our white brothers and sisters find us to try and low rate us and to discourage us from the truth. we are a semetic people, we do not belong in the united states, we are here. we are not safe here, only GOD can help us, these people hate us because we are awaken to who we are. why would they want to take on our idenity in the first place, they thought we would be slaves forever. any way, i really am not concerned about who they say they are. i am glad the lord, is awakening us to who we are. if they want to say they are jews , i could care less, LET GOD HANDLE HIS BUSINESS. one very important point is that we as a people should return to GOD, I MEAN REALLY RETURN TO HIM. i personally don’tbelieve that star, the whitejews use is the star of the lord. i don’t trust it, i have done research on it and, i am not sure about the star, if any one has scripture of the star that the israelites us, please post. we are not illegimate, we are GOD’s chosen, let’s not be disobedient like our ancestors, let’s serve our GOD with gladness of heart, we are scattered , but we can still come together as his people. we are a beautiful wooly haired people that GOD made and love, no matter what people say or think we are a beautiful people. let’s rejoice, my brothers my sisters we know who we are, let us come together,stick together as a people callled of GOD. AMEN, I AM SO HAPPY, I ONLY WISH MY MOTHER HAD FOUND OUT BEFORE SHE DIED, MY OLDEST SISTER ALWAYS SAID MY GRANDMOTHER ALWAYS SAID WE WERE JEWS, SHE ALWAYS WOULD SAY THAT, AN IT TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE. I BELIEVE IT WITH ALL MY HEART, I RESEARCHED IT MYSELF.IT IS TRUE.

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    • The Hebrews will prevail, the Most High is waking up his people and this movement of awakening cannot be stopped.

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  10. The Most High has already shown us that the false Jews (both the Ashkenazim & Sephardim) as well as the Hebrews that claim to spread “the truth” on the streetcorners will be exposed. I hope these ISUPK members and their splintergroups repent from teaching falsehoods and do what Christ commanded us. Teachings such as other nations can’t be saved, Esau/Edom is the whiteman and other RABBINIC LIES are the cause for this picture to hit the public in order to weed out the ones that do ERR not knowing the scriptures, gospel and historical facts. Hopefully, you brothers that’s still caught up in the false doctrines of these ISUPK members and their affiliates will repent from following after falsehood and follow after Christ.

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    • O simpleton Jacobite, have you learnt nothing at all? Haven’t you learned yet to eat the meat and spit out the bones? Just because groups like ISUPK are teaching some errors, this does not mean that you immediately write off everything that they are teaching. I am not part of any group of that nature, I roll solo and allow the Spirit within me to guide me as per John 16:13 and 1 John 2:27. This is the way it was supposed to have been from the beginning.

      Your statement indicating your non belief in the teachings that Esau/Edom is the so called white man is utter nonsense, stupidity and folly in its highest degree. All of the evidence and the scriptures clearly point to Edom/Esau being the so called white man on this planet today however, since you do not believe this, I would like to hear your conclusion on who Edom/Esau is and I would also like to see the evidence to back up your claims.

      Do not be fooled for a second Jacobite, if you think that somehow this film is going to do you any “favours” and that somehow you will be looked upon separately from those “brothers on streetcorners”, then you need to slap yourself in the face 10 times at full force and think again about this nonsense that you have just rattled off. Haven’t you noticed Jacobite that you have been hated from even before you discovered you were a Hebrew? Surely you been living on the same planet as your fellow Hebrew brothers and sisters, yes?

      I will however agree with you that there is much wacky and nutty doctrine being peddled within the Hebrew camp and this is precisely the reason why I roll alone. Many groups have been set up and infiltrated by undercover intelligence agencies. Indeed, it is utter stupidity to teach that only Israel can be saved, this is not what the scriptures teach and these and other doctrines of error should be put down and discarded of as soon as they make known their presence.

      As far as I am concerned, ISUPK and other Hebrew Israelite groups served their purpose for me in bringing me to the truth of who I really am by bloodline and giving me a foundation to launch from to conduct my own research into my rediscovered heritage. I am grateful for the good and true knowledge that these groups have brought forward to the table however, I also stand against the errors that they have pushed out and I have tried to make the effort to step in and burn folly and foolish doctrines when I have heard them.

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      • Esau is NOT the whiteman. Whoever perpetuates this filthy lie is either unlearned or has an agenda. You fail to produce any scripture to support this erronous doctrine, which has already proven to be nothing more than rabbinic fables Furthermore, I understand your gratitude, if you will, for the fact that certain camps bring forth the truth concerning our identity. But what good is it to know about your heritage and not have any knowledge as to what role the Most High has purposed for you? Please remember that Satan also deceived Eve by giving her a little truth mingled with lies. ISUPK and the likes are teaching hellbound doctrines which will cause anyone who ascribes to their folly to end up in the lake of fire. The lie is NOT of the truth. It’s all that simple.

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      • Jacobite, thou knowest not what thou sayest. Erronous doctrine eh?? I will do more than supply you with scriptures, I will supply you with a whole blog post that I drafted on this very topic, for you to look through:

        https://slayingevil.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/what-saith-the-most-high-power-ahayah-concerning-edom-the-future-of-the-so-called-white-man/

        Now I suggest that you read through that blog very careful and take note of the comments also. Just to break you in I have discovered some other verses that clearly point to Esau being the so called European man. Ezekiel 36:5 reads:

        36:5 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, AND AGAINST ALL IDUMEA, WHICH HAVE APPOINTED MY LAND INTO THEIR POSSESSION with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

        How were the fraudulent JewISH people able to obtain the land of Israel, they were given the land by the US, UK and UN. That sounds like a possession to me and isn’t it despiteful to be divvying up our land to people who do not belong there?

        Obadiah 1:2-5 reads:

        1:2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art GREATLY DESPISED.

        1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the CLEFTS OF THE ROCKS, whose HABITATION IS HIGH; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

        1:4 Though thou EXALT THYSELF AS THE EAGLE, and though thou set THY NEST AMONG THE STARS, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

        1:5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?

        These scriptures here so obviously point to the European man, the fact that he is a very despised nation, the fact that he has been the one who has lived in caves and the high mountains like the eagle lives in the mountains, the fact that the European man has continually used the symbology of the eagle throughout history:

        According to verse 4, this Edom has set his nest among the stars. In case you haven’t noticed Jacobite, the stars are in outer space and the so called European man is the ONLY nation to have ventured into space. This scripture here is so blatant, there is no denying it or attempting to put that on another people, it cannot be done.

        Verse 5 is also a chicken slayer in the fact that it indicates that this Edom has a greed that cannot be satisfied. It is so obvious that this is referring to the so called European man who is currently trying to take over all of the resources of the entire planet.

        The clues are obvious and are there and I still have more ammunition and even more scriptures to clearly show that Edom is the so called whiteman however the latter part of Obadiah 1:4 is enough to completely bury any doubts. Now, if you still do not believe that Edom/Esau is the so called white man then it is your turn to show me who Esau/Edom is in the world today with the accompanying evidence along side.

        The Most High shows you your individual purpose INDIVIDUALLY. Do not expect to find your “purpose” through somebody else’s teachings. The walk with the Most High is an individual walk, it has nothing to do with anybody else. Again, you are not supposed to subscribe to the doctrines of groups, you are meant to glean the good information from people and move on to a different location.

        Blessings

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  11. @verbs2012,

    I’m very familiar with this false UPK breakdown concerning the book of Obadiah. It is also referred to as the NASA breakdown. The stars is NOT referring to the hosts of heaven, but the children of Israel. Meaning, Edom has entered the inheritance (land) of Israel, when he was given mount Seir as an inheritance. Also, the horites were the first “cavedwellers” whose inheritance was taken from them by the Edomites. Both of these nation are darkskinned people. Edom is definitely NOT the whiteman, although I do believe he intermarried the children of Japhet.

    A lot of unlearned brothers have ripped the book of Obadiah completely out of context and have failed to apply the principals of Isaiah 28:10. Please read Jeremiah 49
    Ezekiel 25:12-13, Ezekiel 35:1-8, Isaiah 34:10-15 and then read Obadiah again. You’ll notice that Obadiah has been partly fulfilled, vss 15 on down are yet to be fulfilled.

    The land of Edom – Petra or Mount Seir – is NOT inhabited just as prophecy teaches us. Esau’s inheritance was first subdued by arab nations, subsequently by the hands of the Nabateans and later the Romans. Bottomline, the land of Esau has never again been inhabited by the Edomites to this day. In other words Esau’s inheritance has been laid waste.

    13For I have sworn by myself, says the Lord, that Bozrah will be a desolation, and a disgrace, and a wasteland, and a curse. And all her cities will be a perpetual wilderness.
    14I have heard a report from the Lord, and an legate has been sent to the nations: ‘Gather yourselves together, and go forth against her, and let us rise up to battle.’
    15For behold, I have made you little among the nations, contemptible among men.
    16Your arrogance has deceived you, by the pride of your heart, you who live in the caverns of the rock and who strive to take hold of the height of the hill. But even if you make your nest like that of an eagle, I will pull you down from there, says the Lord.
    17And Idumea will be a desert. Everyone who passes by it will be stupefied and will hiss over all its wounds.
    18Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighbors were overthrown, says the Lord: there will not be a man living there, and no son of man will tend it.
    – Jeremiah 49:13-18

    Concerning your advice on gleaning the good information from people, I agree with that. However, I’d rather stick to the word of YHWH, instead of ignorantly parrot and/ or follow after falsehood. Israel is to serve a certain purpose, which is to teach ALL other nations concerning the ways of YHWH – Exodus 19:5-6

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    • That is a nutty interpretation Jacobite. The surrounding words are obviously relating to height and distance, not to a people. This is exactly what happens when you do not have the Spirit within you, you start making some wacky conclusions on that data presented. An eagle nests HIGH in the mountains, the stars are HIGH and FAR in space. Read the text in the correct context. You should also read Jeremiah 49:16 which further bolsters this charge. The stars mentioned have nothing to do the tribes of Israel and everything to do with being used as a comparative and likening in terms of high and distance.

      I agree, there are many scriptures in relation to the Edomites that are yet to be fulfilled. Yet remember what are told in Genesis 27:39-40 about the future dwelling of Edom and his lifetsyle which reads:

      27:39 – And his father Issac answered and said unto him, Behold, THY DWELLING PLACES SHALL BE THE FATNESS OF THE EARTH, and of the dew of heaven from above;
      27:40 – AND BY THY SWORD SHALT THOU LIVE…………………………

      Now you have to tell me who is living in the best places on this planet or at least has control of them and who is waging war on this planet as part of their life at present? If you do not believe that Edom is the so called white man then give me another viable people who fit these descriptions of lifestyle and living conditions.

      You also have to remember 2 Esdras 6:9 which reads:

      6:9 For Esau is the END OF THE WORLD, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.

      We know from the words of Christ that that we have begun nearing the end. I see the so called European man in charge of this planet, I do not see another nation in charge and running the world. Again, just because there are scriptures yet to be fulfilled in relation to Edom, this does not detract any from the evidence that clearly shows that the prophesies in relation to nation of Edom are so clearly in relation to the so called white man. Hebrew groups may be in error on many things in relation to the scriptures but this isn’t one of them.

      You also should read Isaiah 63 which shows a Christ IN THE FUTURE with bloody garments coming from slaughtering people in BOZRAH. Remember, precept upon precept. You are still allowing men to bring you the interpretation on the scriptures when you should be allowing the Spirit to do that job(1 John 2:27). By the way, YHWH is the god of the JewISH people, he is not the God of the Hebrews. YHWH comes from the JewISH Tetragrammaton.

      Blessings

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      • Most high in Christ. Thawadah for your diligence in explaining to the brother. We all have much love to learn and in this 3rd day shall we be blessed upon our reading and teaching.
        EZEKIEL 36:23 “And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.(civil rights movement among the tribes, without scriptural backing)
        Wisdom of Solomon 7:24-25 “For wisdom is more moving than any motion: she passeth and goeth through all things by reason of her pureness. For she is the breath of the power of the Most High, and a pure influence flowing from the glory of the Almighty: therefore can no defiled thing fall into her.”
        Deuteronomy 4:5-6 “Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgements, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it. Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.”
        Ezekiel 37:9-10 “Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say unto the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophecied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.”

        Israel is doing it more and more correct this time as this passage is being fulfilled today. Barak Atha Yahawah, Barak atha Yahawashi! And again for everyone learning and fighting to maintain their stability in these times. My prayers are for you as well as those to come, and those that were that has blessed the world of Israel that has allowed us to be at this point as of now. Now we can accellerate this, and truly all come together as Christ swiftly approaches. Be diligent, stay studious. We will be as one. Qam Yasharahla! Support one another, sharpen your brother, this is exciting and its really happening.

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  12. >That is a nutty interpretation Jacobite. The surrounding words are obviously relating to height and distance, not to a people. This is exactly what happens when you do not have the Spirit within you, you start making some wacky conclusions on that data presented. An eagle nests HIGH in the mountains, the stars are HIGH and FAR in space. Read the text in the correct context. You should also read Jeremiah 49:16 which further bolsters this charge. The stars mentioned have nothing to do the tribes of Israel and everything to do with being used as a comparative and likening in terms of high and distance.<

    Again, you lack reading comprehension where this is concerned. Also, you have totally ignored the fact that Edom's inheritance – Mount Seir – is laid waste. (and it has been for a very long time) Thus, this prophecy has already been fulfilled, unless you can prove Esau is still dwelling in his inheritance. Just as Israel was not to inherit Esau's land (DEU 2:4-5), Esau wasn't going to inherit the land promised to Israel. From the moment Edom attempted to occupy the land of Israel YHWH destroyed him. Esau's land was taken from him and he never returned to Mount Seir.

    Furthermore, Job 39:27-30 reveals the traits of an eagle

    Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, AND MAKE HER NEST ON HIGH? SHE DWELLETH AND ABIDETH ON THE ROCK, UPON THE CRAG OF THE ROCK, and the strong place. From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off. Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she. – Job 39:27-30

    Joseph in his dream uses the same biblical language as is seen in Obadiah and Jeremiah. Genesis 37:9-10 proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israelites are the stars spoken of in Obadiah.

    And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon AND THE ELEVEN STARS MADE OBEISANCE TO ME. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: AND HIS FATHER REBUKED HIM, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother AND THY BRETHREN INDEED COME TO BOW DOWN OURSELVES TO THEE TO THE EARTH? – GEN 37:9-10

    Your NASA-breakdown has been exposed.

    Cont.

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    • On the contrary Jacobite, not once have I stated that the original dwelling place of Esau aka Mount Seir has not already been made a desolation. You clearly do not understand Obadiah, the book of Obadiah contains messages and information linked to past, present and future time.

      So Esau was not going to inherit the promised land? Ezekiel 36:5 reads:

      35:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen and against ALL IDUMEA, WHICH HAVE APPOINTED MY LAND INTO THEIR POSSESSION WITH THE JOY OF ALL THEIR HEART, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

      So what you have stated about the Edomites being destroyed is contrary to what the scriptures teach, the Most High is observing in present time the occupation of his land by strangers including the residents of Idumea who are from the line of Esau. This is still the case today as we are not there, the land has been overrun by usurpers. It stands to reason that if what you are stating about Esau is correct, then this condition would apply to anybody else attempting to take over the land of Israel, yet there are usurpers occupying the land today and they haven’t been destroyed. You need to think that one over again Jacobite, your conclusion is inconsistent with the plain reading of the scriptures and the current observable situation with Israel today.

      Job 39:27-30 has nothing to do with Edom/Esau as around those verses the Most high brings a range of different animals into the equation while questioning Job. Not only that but prior to this in chapter 38, the Most High talks about different elements of the weather, light, darkness, clouds, rain, snow, ice etc. No, the Most High in those verses was simply questioning Job about the lifestyle of the eagle, the animal. These particular verses are not linked to Edom in the slightest, read the data in its correct context Jacobite.

      No, the stars mentioned in Obadiah have nothing to do with Joseph’s dream. Read Obadiah again, the Most High states that he is going to bring Edom DOWN from the stars. To be brought DOWN from a place means that you had to have been previously UP/HIGH. Put the text in context Jacobite, you are derailing on simple interpretations.

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    >I agree, there are many scriptures in relation to the Edomites that are yet to be fulfilled. Yet remember what are told in Genesis 27:39-40 about the future dwelling of Edom and his lifetsyle which reads:

    27:39 – And his father Issac answered and said unto him, Behold, THY DWELLING PLACES SHALL BE THE FATNESS OF THE EARTH, and of the dew of heaven from above;
    27:40 – AND BY THY SWORD SHALT THOU LIVE…………………………

    Now you have to tell me who is living in the best places on this planet or at least has control of them and who is waging war on this planet as part of their life at present? If you do not believe that Edom is the so called white man then give me another viable people who fit these descriptions of lifestyle and living conditions.<

    If you agree, then it you can't possibly hold on to the idea that Obadiah in its entirety is speaking of future events.

    That's an easy one and I can tell you, it's NOT referring to Esau. Christ said that nation would fight against nation. Hopefully you'll acknowledge that Edom is certainly not the only nation that lives by the sword. Also, the fact that Esau would live by the sword doesn't automatically mean he was going to be good at it, or be able to conquer and dominate the world. The latter has proven to be a difficult, if not impossible task for a lot of unlearned brothers to substantiate with both scripture as well as historical evidence. Also note that GEN 27:39-40 never mentions anything about Esau ruling the earth. You cannot read that.

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    • I have stated that Obadiah contains past, present and future events. Now this is getting ridiculous, this is Esau himself pleading with his father Issac for a blessing and you are stating that this is isn’t Esau. No problem, the first part of Genesis 27:38 reads:

      And ESAU said to unto his father…………….

      Now you can continue and read verses 39-40. Nation fighting against nation according to the words of Christ is not the same as living by the sword. Living by the sword is a continuous position of LIFESTYLE whereas when Christ referred to different nations fighting one another, these wars would stem from contentions, strife and conflicts of interest that were not there previously, not from a daily habit of life. Again, we are not told how skillful Esau would be at living by the sword, we are simply informed that he would live by the sword(war), so skill levels has nothing to do with anything here. Besides this, it is the so called European man who has started and is causing the vast majority of contentions and wars between nations today, this is what the so called European man does, it is called divide and conquer. So yes, he is the one living by the sword today, not only invading lands that do not belong to him but also stirring up strife and contentions between other nations to cause them to go to war with each other. I do not see any other nation that fits the bill and you still have yet to offer up an alternative people who fit this description.

      Genesis 27:39-40 does not mention Esau as having world dominion, however, 2 Esdras 6:9 blatantly states that “Esau is the end of the world”. We are near the end so we simply look at the nation who is dominating the planet at present. Don’t call, its just for fun, answers on a post card please. The answer is not rocket science sir, look around you Jacobite.

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      • The people that rule the earth will have to fit the characteristics given in the Bible. After the 3rd Beast described in the Book of Daniel comes the Roman empire. Romans are NOT Edomites. Anybody who teaches that Rome is synonymous with Edom is simply rehashing Rabbinic propaganda.

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  14. cont.

    >You also have to remember 2 Esdras 6:9 which reads:

    6:9 For Esau is the END OF THE WORLD, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.<

    I love this scripture. It means exactly what it says. But, then again, Esau is certainly NOT ruling this world. Esau's characteristics fit the profane (i.e. unholy) nature of this world or to be more precisely this present age or era. Righteousness is going to be the standard in the next era or world. II Esdr 6:9 is one of many scriptures that is misinterpreted by unlearned brothers who fail to read it in context.

    Follow peace with all men, AND HOLINESS, WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD: Looking diligently LEST ANY MAN FAIL TO THE GRACE OF GOD; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Lest there be ANY FORNICATOR, OR PROFANE PERSON, AS ESAU, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. – HEB 12:14-16

    Any man is any man, regardless the nationality.

    cont.

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    • Now you are beginning to seriously derail Jacobite, your train has hit the buffers big time. No, Esau is a BLOODLINE of a specific nation of people just as Jacob is the BLOODLINE of our people. you cannot put Esau under a general title of “profane” and “unholy” people. This is exactly what the institutional church has done in reverse to the true gospel and the true Hebrews, stating that it doesn’t matter who we are and that all that matters is Christ, salvation and eternal life.

      You cannot dodge around the plain reading and understanding of the scriptures, Esau is clearly in reference to a particular bloodline of people who are going to be the prolific characters at the end of the world. I agree about righteousness being the standard of the next world and the scriptures clearly teach that a particular bloodline of people under Christ are going to be ruling and putting this righteous standard into practice, the Hebrews, and I can take you to a variety of scriptures to prove it if you are still in doubt.

      Yes, in Hebrews 12:14-16 Paul commences talking about men in general as we can clearly see, however when he gives the Hebrews an example of unsatisfactory living, he used ONE particular man as a reference point. You cannot generalise Esau as simply a profane and unholy collection of people in general because it clearly states ” who for one morsel of meat sold HIS birthright”. His is not general Jacobite, his is a specific reference.

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      • I agree. I never stated anything contrary to this.

        My point is that UPK-ers love to generalise scriptures such as II Esdras 6:9 in an attempt to support their false teachings. Esau is not ruling this world. Plain and simple.

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    >We know from the words of Christ that that we have begun nearing the end. I see the so called European man in charge of this planet, I do not see another nation in charge and running the world. Again, just because there are scriptures yet to be fulfilled in relation to Edom, this does not detract any from the evidence that clearly shows that the prophesies in relation to nation of Edom are so clearly in relation to the so called white man. Hebrew groups may be in error on many things in relation to the scriptures but this isn’t one of them.<

    The so called European man is a descendant of Japhet, not Esau. This is evidenced throughout scripture and basically destroys your theory on the alledged semitic heritage of the so called white man. Even secular references prove that the so called white man is not semitic. There's a lot that Hebrew groups have to learn before calling themselves teaching the word of the Almighty. Amongst these is to leave off from the false teaching that Edom is the progenitor of the white race.

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    • I simply look at the characteristics of Edom/Esau within the scriptures and I match them with the nation of people living on this planet today who fit those characteristics. Ok, no problem, I now offer you an opportunity to bring your evidence forward that the European man is a descendant of Japheth, you state that this is evidenced throughout the scriptures, I would like to see this evidence please. I would also like you to show me who Esau is in the world today and how you have come to this conclusion.

      Now, I have asked you before about who you believe Esau is in the world today and to date, you still have not provided me with an answer nor any supporting evidence for your claim. This is not looking good on your part Jacobite, you are going to have to put up and back what you are claiming with some sort of proof. Please, show me the scriptures that destroy the “theory” of Esau being the so called European man, I would like to see them.

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    >You also should read Isaiah 63 which shows a Christ IN THE FUTURE with bloody garments coming from slaughtering people in BOZRAH. Remember, precept upon precept. You are still allowing men to bring you the interpretation on the scriptures when you should be allowing the Spirit to do that job(1 John 2:27). By the way, YHWH is the god of the JewISH people, he is not the God of the Hebrews. YHWH comes from the JewISH Tetragrammaton.<

    Exactly, let the Bible interpret itself. Esau is not the only one who will punished. JER 30:10 is pretty cut and dry concerning this. YHWH is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God of Israel, the God of the universe.

    Blessings

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    • I never have stated that Esau is going to be the only nation who will receive a strong recompense and judgement from the Most High, all nations will be punished for what they have done to us. The difference between Esau and the other nations is Esau will receive no kind of mercy or reprieve for the wickedness that he has executed against the world and particularly against his brother Jacob.

      Why is Christ coming from Bozrah(a habitation of Esau)in the future with bloody garments, why that place and nowhere else? Why isn’t he coming from Pakistan or India, or China or Brazil? Why in particular a location that is associated with Esau? The writing is on the wall Jacobite, do not make the mistake of dismissing brothers who teach error(which is wise) only to walk into the hands of others who are still teaching error, but simply in a different fashion.

      YHWH is the JewISH national name for god, their god not the Power of the Hebrews. How can you acknowledge that the JewISH people in the land of Israel today are not the real people yet call upon the name they use for their god? Our power stated that his name was to be proclaimed among all generations, not initialised, broken down and abbreviated into 4 letters.

      Most High Bless

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      • Don’t make no mistake about it. YHWH will punish Israel in measure and destroy all disobedient Israelites.

        Again, Edom’s inheritance has already been destroyed. This prophecy is fulfilled already. NOBODY is living in Mount Seir today.

        YHWH is my Power. Indeed, HE is known as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob forever.

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  17. Esau was never promised the land of Israel. This is a clear error on your end. The prophecy in EZE 36:5 is an ongoing prophecy, which started during the neo-Babylonian era. The precept concerning Edom occupying the land of Israel is found in PSA 137.

    Edom as a nation has never again resettled in Mount Seir after they were removed from it. So, they were destroyed as I pointed out in my previous post. The sons of Esau were forced to convert to the ways of Israel (i.e. circumcision and the keeping of Torah) during the the time of John Hyrcanus. This is event spoken of by Josephus. He even tells ua that since Edom’s conversion they were called Jews. Hence, Edom was clearly destroyed as a nation. Meaning they never returned to Mount Seir and were absorbed by Israel. They became learned in the Law and quite a large group of them became pharisees. When Israel was removed in 70 AD, they managed to stay in the land, until the bar kochba revolt when they fled to Babylon where they codified their oral tradtion commonly known as the Talmu. They later migrated to Khazaria to intemarry and convert the Japhetic Ashkenazi Jews to their newly found religion. In 1948 they managed to established the State of Israel of which more than 97 percent of the population is comprised of Ashkenazi Jews.

    Job 39 clearly describes the nature of an eagle, which has nothing to do with outer space. Furthermore, the bringing down part in Obadiah is referring to Edom’s pride and him occupying the land of Israel. It doesn’t mean Edom is going to be brought down from outer space. That’s ridiculous

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  18. You display yet more ignorance concerning the prophecies.

    Joel 3:10 BEAT YOUR PLOWSHARES INTO SWORDS, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

    The prophecy in Joel 3 concerns various nations (including the so called white man). Vitually every nation has either nuclear capabilites or is ivesting money into building weapons of mass destruction. This of course destroys your claims with regards to the European man.

    2nd Esdras is spiritual. UPK-ers always use the same rethoric. Romans 9:13 and Esdras is speaking of two indivduals, Jacob and Esau. Not two different nations.

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    • Stop running Jacobite. You keep erecting 1000 different points and everytime I smash one down, you go and hide behind another, I see this technique that you are using.

      It is time for you to show your hand. I want to know what nation on this planet is Edom since you say that it isn’t the so called European man. No more long drawn out rhetoric and no more procrastinating, what nation is Edom on this planet today and show me the scriptural proof please.

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      • Brother, I’m not running nowhere. It’s my duty to correct you and anybody else who is teaching lies. Thus far you haven’t proven anything. You’re simply parroting your elders.

        In my previous post I already touched on the physical descendants of Esau, but it probably went over your head. The thing that kills me is that a lot of brothers who are subscribing themselves to this UPK-dogma say they know about Josephus and it turns out they really do not pay any attention to what he has written conerning Edom. Josephus expounds heavily on Edom’s conversion during the reign of John Hyrcanuis. They became well taught in the Torah and some of them even became pharisees (or rabbi’s)

        Prior to the destruction of the Temple, Edom helped Israel fight against the Roman soldiers. They were eager to stay in the land. After Israel was removed, Edom was still in the land, until the bar kochba revolt.
        After this they fled to Babylon.

        As is shown through various “Jewish” authoritative sources such as Encyclopedia Judaica, Jewish Encyclopedia, Arthur Koestler, etc Ashkenazi Jews are NOT Semitic. However, Sephardic Jews are indeed Semitic and therefore are most probably the sons of Esau. It was the rabbi’s that converted the Khazars to their Babylonian Talmud. Undoubtedly, there was a lot of miscegenation between the Japhetic Khazars and the Semitic rabbi’s. But, the bottomline is Esau NEVER started out white and he is NOT the progenitor of the white race.

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      • Now this is just getting ridiculous, you are actually beginning to go against the scriptures in relation to what they say about the description of the Edomites. I didn’t ask you to go into an essay, I simply asked you whom you say the Edomites are and to show me some scriptures to support your claim.

        I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the so called white man is Edom, I have also brought forward scriptures to bolster this position and could bring forward even more. Sephardic and Askenazi Jews are all one and the same, they all stem from Europe. You do realise that Spain and Portugal are still part of Europe right?

        No, I am parroting my own independent research. If information is correct, it is not bound for only one person to use or promote. I do not doubt that the JewISH people whether Sephardic or Askenazi are a bloodline within the family tree of Edom however, the Edomite bloodline has many branches just as does the bloodline of the Hebrews.

        Unlike yourself I will speak plainly as Christ did, I do not deal with maybe, probably, could be, hope so, possibly etc, I will look at the characteristics of Edom within the scriptures(lifestyle, behaviour, physical description, habitation type etc) and I will line these up along side the nationality of people today that fit these characteristics and proclaim the logical data correlation. The so called European man, whether he be from Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia, Sweden, Romania, Bulgaria, France, Switzerland etc fits the characteristics of Edom as described within the scriptures like a glove. Your self denial of this clear collation is your burden to bare.

        Again, I deal with what the scriptures say and I read the scriptures plainly as they are, I am not dealing with a man’s slant or interpretation of what he feels is the meaning of what written before him.

        Joel 3:10 – We are not talking about or dealing with various nations, we are dealing with Edom, he is the topic of concern being discussed here, so no, nothing of what I have previously claimed against Edom has been destroyed.

        “2nd Esdras is spiritual. UPK-ers always use the same rethoric. Romans 9:13 and Esdras is speaking of two indivduals, Jacob and Esau. Not two different nations”.

        Really, not two different nations huh?:

        Genesis 25:23 reads:

        TWO NATIONS ARE IN THY WOMB, AND TWO MANNER OF PEOPLE SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM THY BOWELS…………….

        A spiritual birth???? Do you see how ridiculous things are becoming on your part Jacobite? You have launched yourself out of the frying pan and projected yourself straight into the volcano. This is exactly the same deception that the institutional church practices, rendering real physical events to come as “spiritual” metaphors. I rest my case!

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  19. @verbs2012

    Look brother, I’m not planning to go in circles with you. You have been given some authoritative sources concerning Edom. All

    you have to do now is research these things through for yourself, instead of blindly following after falsehoods.

    You still haven’t proven that the so called white man is Edom. Parroting UPK-propaganda will not suffice as evidence either.
    The Bible itself testifies against these lies.

    Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews are definitely NOT from the same bloodline. If you believe this then you should be able to

    present proof for this folly. Sephardic Jews are Semitic, whereas Ashkenazim are Japhetic. Also, the word Sephardic is derived

    from Sepharad, a word that is found in your Bible in the 20th verse of the Book of Obadiah. Sephardic Jews were not in Europe,

    until they decided to migrate from Babylon to the region in between the Black and Caspian Sea known as Khazaria. This occured

    somewhere between the 5th and 7th century AD. It wasn’t until the 10th century that both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews migrated

    to the West.

    Christ spoke the truth at all times. You do not speak the truth when you attempt to prove the white man is Edom. Christ wasn’t

    no man pleaser either. It seems as though you are perpetuating this Edom is the white man hoax out fear of being reprimanded by

    your elders. First off, it is certain that the white man does NOT fit the physical description given for Edom. Neither did Edom

    ever in history conquer Europe. Edom’s inheritance was never Europe, but Mount Seir. If anything, the burden to prove otherwise

    according to scripture is on you. If you attempt to prove Esau somehow dominated Europe, then you have to be very careful concerning the timeline you give, cause you’ll be required to prove this. I purposely held back some of my information, just to see how well you have been studying the history on Esau. You seem like a bright person, but I think it’s best to deviate from false teachings.

    Yes, II Esdras 6:9 and Romans 9:13 is pointing directly to the SPIRITUAL characteristics of two INDIVIDUALS. The aforementioned verses have nothing to do with Genesis 25:23. Now you’re reaching, brother. Esau despised his birthright and even lied on Jacob for supposedly stealing it from him. Therefore he couldn’t have obtained the blessings from the Highest. Jacob worshiped the Most High in TRUTH and in SPIRIT. You can clearly see the similarities concerning Jacob and Esau in the account of Cain and Abel.

    I pray that the Most High will bless your understanding.

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    • Without the spirit within you Jacobite, you will continue to be tossed to and fro with every wind of erroneous doctrine that comes your way. This only the Most High can deal with.

      Blessing In The Name Of The Most High

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      • That’s a cop out, verbs2012. But, it’s typical behavior for people that attempt to defend the Edom the white man lie.

        Those who love and make lies will not inherit the Kingdom. We both know this.

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      • Not at all, I have more than proven my case on this subject. You should read my post here on Edom if you haven’t already, and then come back to me. I dealt with this topic a while back, this is a small fry issue, however I stand by my guns and have more than enough evidence on my side.

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      • verbs2012 you have made a convincing case. Jacobite you have lost your case. It seems to me that you (Jacobite) are being very stubborn. I have read both of your comments, and you (Jacobite) have clearly lost. I have also researched the subject matter, and I have came to the same conclusions as verbs2012. It has become painfully clear to me that you (Jacobite) are on the wrong track. Hopefully the Most High will give you the wisdom to see the light. Shalom my brothers.

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  20. @verbs2012,

    Verily, verily, you haven’t proven anything, but following after UPK-propaganda, which was first taught by wicked men out of Harlem. To a certain extent I have to agree with you. The Edom is the whiteman issue has been crushed long time ago. So, really this isn’t a hatrd subject at all. I’m waiting for you to bring forth evidence. I noticed you haven’t answered my question as to when Edom has supposedly conquered Europe. Since you claim that the European man from Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia, Sweden, Romania, Bulgaria, France, Switzerland etc fits the bill concerning the house of Edom, this shouldn’t be hard to prove, right?

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    • I’ve already brought forth mountain loads of evidence, however you refuse to gaze upon the obvious due to the clear fact that your mind is already fixed upon the new teachings of folly that you have received, therefore you cannot be helped any further.

      You ought to listen to the Spirit if you can find him, not nutty Hebrew brothers who profess to be wise teachers but are really physicians of no value. Teaching you something different from the rest and now you think that you have struck gold in the knowledge department, without even verifying what has been handed down to you. Nothing could be further from the truth. Don’t be a goat Jacobite and certainly don’t be a sucker.

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  21. @verbs2012,

    Again, I’m still waiting for evidence. Like I told you already, I’m quite familiar with this UPK-dogma and it’s easily debunked with scripture.
    That means I’ve already found out about this false doctrine and this is why I urge unlearned brothers and sisters to leave off from this rabbinical filth, before it’s too late.

    All authoritative sources testify against what you claim to be “truth” about Edom. Not only that, the Bible is obviously the main source to disprove this false teaching. First off, if you attempt to prove the so called white man fits the physical description given for Edom, I welcome you to prove this according to the Bible. From there, we can take it step by step as you’ve already been given the proper breakdowns on Esau with regards to his inheritance (land), which is laid waste.

    You have to try every spirit, brother. This is elementary.

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    • Jacobite

      Ok, here is my Edom blog for you to read if you haven’t done so already, and I suggest that you also take note and read the comments as there is extra information contained therein:

      https://slayingevil.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/what-saith-the-most-high-power-ahayah-concerning-edom-the-future-of-the-so-called-white-man/

      There is no other nationality on this planet who is as much a threat to the so called Negro as the so called White man, that is a fact that cannot be argued against or countered. There is no other nation on this planet that has point blank refused to show our people any mercy other than the so called White man. Yes, we are hated by all the nations, however the so called White man has the most hatred for the so called Negro. This directly correlates with Ezekiel 35:5, a PERPETUAL HATRED and continuous slaying of our people. It is not rocket science Jacobite, who is the nation currently engaged in Eugenics, bio warfare and other warfares of every kind against us at the moment? Chinese, Japanese, Indian……..no. European man……indeed.

      I can go all day Jacobite, the fact of the matter is as I stated to you before, just because a common theme is being put forward, this does not automatically equate it to Rabbinical doctrine of error. We simply look at the scriptures and line them up with who fits the bill in today’s world. This has everything to do with common sense, logic and allowing the Spirit to guide you to the true answer and has nothing to do with Rabbis or so called JewISH doctrine.

      Of course all of the authoritative sources claim that Edom is another people or Edom has already been destroyed……..however we have a problem, the same people who hold the so called “authority” on the information are the same people who are systematically killing off the Hebrews in all ways imaginable. From this perspective it would make sense that the so called White man would deceive people into looking for Edom elsewhere, this way he could continue his Eugenics program hidden in plain view and not be suspected of maltreatment or wrong doing.

      Well, you read the blog above and its comments and then tell me that I am wrong on the topic. The scriptures in describing Edom correlate perfectly with the so called European man today. Yes Jacobite I agree, every spirit must be tried as we are told by John however, you require the Spirit within you first in order to gauge which spirits are false from those that are true, you are attempting to implement this procedure via freestyle and without the Spirit, this is why I said to you before that you will continue to be carried away with every wind of doctrine thrown at you.

      You continue to say that Edom is not the so called White man, it is now time for you to put up or shut up. Please give me 5 scriptures that show that the Edom is not the so called white man and the correlation of the scriptures you use within today’s world. I await your response.

      Most High Bless and Shalom

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      • Look, this doesn’t prove Edom is the white man. As I stated earlier, you’re just parroting your elders. This false breakdown on who Esau is was originated in Harlem by hatred filled Hebrews who do not understand the difference between white and red. They’ve also twisted a lot of scritpures in an atttempt to suit their filthy propaganda. They’re responsible for leading astray a lot of unlearned brothers and sisters. In other words, they got a lot of innocent blood upon their hands, which the Most High wll require of them.

        You give me one scripture that proves Esau came out white and not red or ruddy as the scripture saith.

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      • This is a backwards statement within itself as white people aren’t even literally white themselves. Hold a piece of paper against a white person’s face and tell me that they are actually white.

        No scriptures to disprove what you claim that I am parroting, predictable. At least make the effort to give out some scriptures disproving that Esau is the so called European man. You are beginning to show yourself as a waffler Jacobite.

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  22. @verbs2012,

    Ok ahk, let’s put it this way. Please give me the hebrew word for both ruddy and white. They are both found in your hebrew bible

    The white man is Edom doctrine contains more holes than swiss cheese, but I just want to start off with basic milk scriptures and common sense, before moving on to the next level.

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    • Again, if what I am stating about the so called European man being Edom is wrong, again please give me 5 scriptures to substantiate your position. I am waiting and others are watching here.

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      • Obviously, you try to run from my original question. It’s good for other to watch (and learn) the truth concerning Edom as it will free them from hellbound teachings that’s being spread by wicked unlearned so called elders within Israel.

        Genesis 25:25 And the first came out RED, all over like an hairy garment……

        The text is clear, no white there.

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      • I think it is pretty obvious to all who are watching here that although you believe that Edom is not the so called European man, you still are unable to provide us with any alternative explanation and still unable to disprove what you claim that I am parroting from my elders.

        You have provided me with ONE scripture, the likes of which can still be interpreted in my favour. Is this all that you have Jacobite? Is this your best effort?

        Genesis 25:25 And the first came out RED, all over like an hairy garment:

        The answer is obvious Jacobite, I do not see any babies here that are literally “white”. I see white blankets and the babies skin tones are no where near the white items surrounding them. Your argument is facile. Admit it Jacobite, you have lost this debate hands down, swallow your pride and admit your defeat. We all make mistakes, the issue is what action we decide to take afterwards upon learn the error of our ways.

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  23. @verbs2012,

    The answer is that you still don’t understand what the difference is between ruddy and white. Using UPK-rethoric is not going to cut it.
    You have conveniently ignored the topic and have again attempted to prove your case (to no avail). Let’s try this, give me the hebrew definition of the word ruddy used in the bible.

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    • Cease with the nit picking, as it still hasn’t saved you. You still are unable to bring anything to the table to counter what you claim is a faulty and evil doctrine, CASE CLOSED!

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      • To the contrary. pictures of Japhetic babies do not prove anything. You have yet again displayed your ignorance concerning Edom. It’s typical.

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      • All you are attempting to do now is to restoke a fire that has long time gone out cold. Remember that I have already asked you for the scriptures that show categorically that Esau is not the European man and all you have done is sight some earlier contentions that you raised by yourself in order to get away from the heat of your defeat.

        Japheth, the so called European man????? This is a laughable conclusion within itself. According to what scriptures is this conclusion drawn, and if you come back here with nothing then I will really know that you are simply attempting to freestyle through this subject and that you blatantly have no evidence whatsoever.

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  24. @verbs2012,

    LOL!!! Have I missed something? As far as I’m concerned you have been corrected about the prophesies regarding Esau and you have been given the evidence for the fulfillment of these prophesies.

    Yes, Japheth is the one who fathered the so called white race contrary to the false teachings that’s being spread by your elders.

    So, do you believe the Greeks are Edomites? Answer this question.

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    • As predicted, NSA(No Scriptures Available). Stop trying to bring in new topics, you are simply truffle shuffling. You aren’t going to bait me in.

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      • I see. You’re trying to prove something that you cannot back with either scriptural evidence or secular information. Anyway, it’s clear to everyone that reads these posts that you havent’t brought forth any proof for your false beliefs.

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    • Still NSA eh Jacobite? Not surprised really. You have brought absolutely nothing to the table so far bar 1 scripture that I could just as easily use to bolster my position.

      All you wish to do now is start a debate on a different topic because you have been exposed as a clear fraud and truffle shuffler on this Japheth = the European man theory. I’m not biting, I want scriptures to support this theory of yours.

      So, I am going to ask you again and give you yet another chance to redeem yourself from this horrible failure on your part. Japheth = the so called white man according to what scriptures please? I asked you for 5 scriptures before, minus the one that you have submitted. You now have 4 left to provide…………or will it be a case of NSA again??????

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      • You sarcasm comes off as ignorance. There’s nothing I can do to make you understand the Bible, especially when you’ve been caught red handed parroting UPK propaganda. You avoid my questions, cause you simply don’t know the truth concerning Edom. In my opinion I already showed you the scriptures dealing with Edom, but you seem to have a mental block where this is concerned.

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      • I’m done with this conversation Jacobite, you are clearly just wasting my time. I continually ask you for the scriptures and you keep coming back with nothing, that is plain for all to see here.

        4 scriptures is all you had to supply me with but this obviously was too hard for you. Therefore, the jury is in, the verdict of the so called white man being Japheth has been thrown out due to no scriptures being provided and the thus far conclusion that Esau is the so called white man still stands. Jacobite, your case is dismissed due to a lack of evidence.

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  25. @verbs2012,
    Japheth is indeed the forefather of the so called white man. whether or not you believe it is not going to change this fact. You need to confront your elders and find out why they’ve been lying to you.

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  26. Japheth is the ancestor of the white or light skinned people of the world. Japheth was also worshipped by the early Greeks as Iapetos or Iapetus that they thought was the son of heaven and earth and the father of a multitude of nations. The Irish Celts, Britons and Saxons also traced their royal dynasties to Japheth. So let’s move to something else.

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  27. The Danites are the ruling elite today and have been cut off because they breed with the fallen angels.

    Jacob prophesied that Dan would be “a serpent by the way, an adder in the path” (Gen. 49:17), and Moses prophesied, “Dan is a lion’s whelp: he shall leap from Bashan” (Deut. 33:22). These two prophecies are remarkable, in that they connect Dan with the “seed of the serpent,” from which the Antichrist will emerge to claim the title “lion of Judah.”
    In the book of Judges the Danites relocated to the northern reaches of the Promised Land. They settled at the foot of Mount Hermon in the territory of Bashan, and adopted the idolatrous Canaanite religion of Baal and Ashtaroth. Eventually, they left for parts unknown and became the proverbial “Lost Tribe.”

    Deuteronomy 23:7 Never consider the Edomites disgusting. They’re your relatives. Never consider the Egyptians disgusting. You once were foreigners living in their country.
    Leviticus 19:34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
    Deuteronomy 10:19 And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt.
    Deuteronomy 23:8 The third generation of children born to them may enter the assembly of the LORD.

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  28. Im a hebrew through my black father but my mother is white. So is my husband.
    So i understand how bad it feels knowing that edom is the white man when you have decant whites in your family or close friends.
    I get it.
    But its not logical to fight the truth of scriptures that brother verbs has planly laid out.
    How can it be hate to put forth this truth when they have hated us for years & this truth is in his word?!
    If i told you what the so called European / white man has done to me personally & my children you would hardly believe it. They hate us & it will never stop just as the most high said it wouldt.

    They do not teach real logical thinking for your self maths in school these days. They teach times table so that all the smart kids are bored stiff & tune out. This is all for a reason.
    Real pure logical skills which is what real mathematics is all about is completly lacking in most of us as a result , unless you are really bright or self tought.
    Christ is not some hippy wearing flowers& a peace sign necklace that says “love” on it as the church beast system would have us believe.
    He came to bring a sword & blessed is he who is not offened in him.

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  29. Im a hebrew through my black father but my mother is white. So is my husband.
    So i understand how bad it feels knowing that edom is the white man

    when you have decant whites in your family or close friends.
    I get it.
    But its not logical to fight the truth of scriptures that brother verbs has planly laid out.
    How can it be hate to put forth this truth when they have hated us for years & this truth is in his word?!
    If i told you what the so called European / white man has done to me personally & my children you would hardly believe it. They hate us & it will never stop just as the most high said it wouldt.

    They do not teach real logical thinking for your self maths in school these days. They teach times table so that all the smart kids are bored stiff & tune out. This is all for a reason.
    Real pure logical skills which is what real mathematics is all about is completly lacking in most of us as a result , unless you are really bright or self tought.
    Christ is not some hippy wearing flowers& a peace sign necklace that says “love” on it as the church beast system would have us believe.
    He came to bring a sword & blessed is he who is not offended in him.

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      • Jacobite, O Jacobite,

        We have been over this before. It isn’t as if sister Trinity cannot look over the comments and see that you already have failed miserably scripture wise in proving the dodgy hypothesis that the so called white man is not Edom.

        You were handed opportunity after opportunity, time and time again to evidence this position from a scriptural perspective and you couldn’t do it. Its not like our debate is hidden, the comments are here for all to see.

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      • Yessir!! We have.
        Even some of the people that initially supported this claim on this blog have repented from this falsehood, which is a good thing.

        If anything, the burden to prove Esau is the whiteman is on you. Scripture only cuts this folly. And, you haven’t proven anything thus far.

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      • If this is indeed the case Jacobite then why haven’t these people returned to this blog and evidenced their findings? Now, I have supported the position that the so called white man is Edom and I have already evidenced this claim not only in my debate with you before but I have also created a whole post on this very topic.

        OK, its been a number of months since your last defeat, maybe something has changed now and maybe you have actually managed to gather some evidence in your support of this hypothesis.

        Can you please you supply me with 5 scriptures on Japheth so that I can look at them and see whether they match up with the behaviours, character and lifestyle of the so called white man?

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      • Maybe it’s because they have swallowed their pride and humbled themselves to the truth, instead of trying to twist scripture just to support a false theory.

        As mentioned earlier. you haven’t brought forth any proof to the table. Repeating a lie will not suffice as evidence.

        If you have the guts to answer my initial questions as to what Hebrew word(s) is/are used for red and give me the biblical lineage of the Greeks then I’ll answer your question concerning Japheth.

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      • If it is indeed true what you are saying, that I have failed to bring forward any proof as of yet that clearly links Edom to the so called white man, shouldn’t you be the bigger person and answer the question raised here pertaining to your theory rather than do the same thing that you have accused me of doing ie that is not answer a question?

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      • Achi, why can’t you just answer the question concerning the Hebrew word for red. This alone proves Esau cannot be white.

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      • Oh, I’m able to answer your question. I think you need to answer my answer mine first.

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